The new prime minister is.....

[northernladuk]

Trivial, I know, but it was on his watch, and he's convinced you that the solution is to follow his lead and blame others.

And it will be the same on the next watch and the one after, as it was on all the previous watches.

[d000hg]

But rejoice, he is gone - and so have the planned tax cuts, ideas to address inflation and fuel costs, and several other medium term but obviously trivial objectives...

You think those were HIS ideas? And that even if they were, he hadn't told anyone? Also what ideas?
Government is a bit stalled - maybe that's what you meant - but can still respond to emergencies so if they have any solutions to urgent matters they can enact them.

[SueEllen]

And it will be the same on the next watch and the one after, as it was on all the previous watches.

No it isn't.

The reason people have started to say how "good" Teresa May was is under her watch she and her ministers appeared to have standards and up hold parliamentary protocol. For example Priti Patel was sacked due to her secret meeting with the Israelis and Amber Rudd resigned after misleading a select committee over nonsense she had been told by her Civil Servants.

Under Boris Johnson's watch as long as MPs were loyal to him it didn't matter if they broke ministerial standards and were already known to be unsuitable for ministerial posts.

[d000hg]

BJ is very different to TM and DC and TB. Problems in the government aren't new but I don't recall there being many stains on May's personal character/conduct certainly nothing like this. She also brought in quite a few changes (the whole Red Tory thing).

[WTFH]

I don't recall there being many stains on May's personal character

She didn't have children, which according to Andrea Leadsom meant she wasn't fit to be PM.
She's only been married once, so has no experience in divorce
And the other stain on her character was about running through fields when she was younger.

The media didn't like her because she wasn't a media personality. Not someone who was good at creating headlines, but got on with the job.

[Baddish]

SE is pointing out to you that Boris doesn't make up the pack of lies. The ministers will and present to him as the senior figure and he fronts it. It's the same in business, top brass have to step down due to failings but those failings are presented or handled way below their station. They have the responsibility but aren't the ones that make and carry out the policies.

And do I find the line that everything he is a pack of lies a bit tedious. It's so sweeping it becomes a stupid argument. If you are so blinded to the point you believe everything he says is a pack of lies then you are unable to make a reasonable point or discussion.

Every PM ever has been accused of peddling lies as well so hardly new and just Boris. Not defending him per se, just pointing out the ridiculous point about pack of lies.

I am not talking about this Johnson. I am talking about Blair.

MPs voted for the Iraqi war because they were presneted a catalogue of lies by this villun and his henchman so I can't blame all of the MPs.

My point is, Johnson is assassinated because of some lack of clarities about some fripperies and this Blair, the consequences of the actions of this man and the lies he concocted, and he stays in Downing Sreet 10 years.

[d000hg]

I am not talking about this Johnson. I am talking about Blair.

MPs voted for the Iraqi war because they were presneted a catalogue of lies by this villun and his henchman.

Wasn't Tony simply working on the briefings he was given?

My point is, Johnson is assassinated because of some lack of clarities about some fripperies and this Blair, the consequences of the actions of this man and the lies he concocted, and he stays in Downing Sreet 10 years.

He wasn't assassinated (rather bad taste considering today's news) And no he wasn't removed because of those things. They were just the tipping point, a convenient thing to trigger what was already in the works for some months.

[malvolio]

He has lied several times ( https://boris-johnson-lies.com ). He is corrupt, because he thought he could get away with it.
He refuses to accept responsibility for anything - all his mistakes, he blames others - whether it's the EU (for agreeing to the deal he agreed), or the media, or the herd mentality of the conservative MPs, etc.
"Friends" paying for stuff, etc are symptoms of his belief that he can get away with anything.




I am not saying EVERYTHING he does is a lie, but you saying that I have said that is "merely a cop out to avoid arguing the point."



The planned tax cuts were on the back of the tax rises.
What about the 40 hospitals? Never going to happen.
Why are fuel costs rising in the UK, when oil is coming down in price per barrel (it's down 20% in the last month)? Is the answer to do with how weak the pound is? Why is the pound weak?

Trivial, I know, but it was on his watch, and he's convinced you that the solution is to follow his lead and blame others.

The planned tax cuts were both an attempt to return to Tory core values, and a reaction to inflation. As ony fule kno, raising wages to counter the effects of inflation is pointless, but putting more cash in your pocket by reducing the tax burden is good sense. That won't happen now for many months.

The hospitals won't happen because the Treasury haven't released the money (but insist HS2 goes ahead...). That was Sunak's doing. Again, that decision won't be revisited for many months.

Fuel costs rising are a combination of excess fuel duty (on top of VAT, don't forget) at the pump and profiteering by the petrol suppliers. The former was going to be corrected but won't now for ma....

The pound is weak because inflation is high. Reduce inflation (by perhaps a combination of the above and a drop in VAT rate) and it will soon recover. But that's not - well, you get the picture.

Losing Bojo may make Westminster feel good about itself, but the short term damage is very high.

[d000hg]

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Parliament is about to go on summer holiday. None of these things would happen unless it's deemed some sort of emergency and in that case, steps CAN be taken.
Why do you think they were just about to do something about inflation/living costs, when there's been little sign so far?

[Gibbon]

BJ is very different to TM and DC and TB. Problems in the government aren't new but I don't recall there being many stains on May's personal character/conduct certainly nothing like this. She also brought in quite a few changes (the whole Red Tory thing).

She also brought in the net zero by 2050 thing while she was been ousted, which is not the done thing, once a PM is in caretaker role they shouldn't bring in any long term commitments. She also brought it in using a statuary instrument instead of a parliamentary vote to avoid scrutiny. She got away with it as everyone was looking at Brexit.

This imho is worse than Johnsons frippets, whether you agree with the target or not is immaterial, it was very underhand.