801 Migrants cross English Channel in 1 day

[sadkingbilly]

Tirade of fascist polemic.

aye, - right!

[vetran]

Bollards

FTFY

[WTFH]

I love it labelling everyone who questions immigration as a racist is straight out of the politburo/1984 playbook maybe you can call them an enemy of the state?

Funny enough, I didn’t label “everyone who questions immigration”, in the same way that I don’t label every Jew in the world as supporting Netanyahu, or every Palestinian in the world as supporting Hamas, even though that is what you do.

If you read the words I wrote, I did not say that ALL supporters of Reform were racists and facists, but that racists and facists support Reform. There’s a big difference.
Use of language is a wonderful thing, such as your immediate claims of 1984 and “enemy of the state”.
I vaguely remember a Home Secretary a few months ago wanting to send people to the middle of Africa to be “processed” and if they were “processed” successfully, they would be allowed to stay in an unsafe African country.

[NotAllThere]

I did not say that ALL supporters of Reform were racists and facists, but that racists and facists support Reform.

Not all people against Israel are antisemites, but all antisemites are against Israel.
Not all people who voted for brexit are small-minded parochials. But all small-minded parochials voted for it.

[vetran]

Funny enough, I didn’t label “everyone who questions immigration”, in the same way that I don’t label every Jew in the world as supporting Netanyahu, or every Palestinian in the world as supporting Hamas, even though that is what you do.

If you read the words I wrote, I did not say that ALL supporters of Reform were racists and facists, but that racists and facists support Reform. There’s a big difference.
Use of language is a wonderful thing, such as your immediate claims of 1984 and “enemy of the state”.
I vaguely remember a Home Secretary a few months ago wanting to send people to the middle of Africa to be “processed” and if they were “processed” successfully, they would be allowed to stay in an unsafe African country.

Do please provide some facts maybe a link to a statement from a reform senior figure? Or do you just denounce people based on your opinion? Throwing out accusations of Racism and fascism seem to be the default if you challenge uncontrolled immigration.

Lets get this clear - it is not racist to question the law regarding immigration. Failing to accept your relaxed and mistaken attitude to immigration is not racist.

You may want to reconsider your use of fascist against Reform, they aren't suggesting autocratic control like Labour's nanny state. Just because the Nazi's murdered the Jews etc because of racism that doesn't equate to fascism. If hating foreigners is fascist most of the middle east and much of Europe & Asia would be sporting swastikas.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

A not dissimilar asylum handling plan is being considered by many EU countries (including Germany) some are even using Rwanda and Albania.

I sort of agree with you that staying in Rwanda would be sub optimal but as a deterrent it was shown to be effective. Maybe if the migrants didn't all throw their documents away we might want some of them in the UK, you know those Doctors, Surgeons, nuclear scientists that apparently come here by boat.

[woody1]

Not all people against Israel are antisemites...

In logic, "not all" could be 99% or 1%.

Whereas in language, it is often used to imply "most".

[vetran]

Not all people who voted for brexit are small-minded parochials. But all small-minded parochials voted for it.

quite a few voted based on how it affected them. Plenty of remainers wanted to keep their Spanish etc. second homes or being able to work across Europe.

Some Brexiters voted on how being managed by a pan European organisation affected their sovereignty.

[malvolio]

Whereas in language, it is often used to imply "most".

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

[woody1]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Not all people who use "not all" mean "most".

[malvolio]

Not all people who use "not all" mean "most".

Exactly. I would argue that most people take it to mean "there are some that don't".

Which is the opposite to your earlier post...