State of the Market

[fatJock]

Current SC runs out 2034

If you've been benched for a couple of years like you said your SC has long lapsed.

[Fraidycat]

So they want someone with advanced Kotlin and Java Spring Boot with front end knowledge to contract for the range £55,000 [ == 220 * 250pd ], £66,000 [ == 220 * 300pd ] - I don't live anywhere near Coventry to boot, but this client will get what they are prepared to pay for, if they find someone.

Anyone who has been on the bench for an extended period of time, much longer than they can afford, will take it out desperation.


"When you look at that you go man that thats pretty rough but Any Port in a Storm":

[quackhandle]

Even the photos when they are done up, you'd think that's a tough wank.

qh

[willendure]

Even the photos when they are done up, you'd think that's a tough wank.

qh

Yeah, there are some things I would not even take out of desparation. Not that port, not in any storm!

[rocktronAMP]

Yeah, there are some things I would not even take out of desparation. Not that port, not in any storm!

Oh my ras days!! (sorry mods - "this is what you're getting" - Fraidycat you rock, dude!)

[fiisch]

Well I have seen one Black IT Director (Deutsche Bank 2001) and one Black Head of Engineering (Digital agency 2013) in a British company in my 27 year IT largely software engineering career to date.

If you look at the leadership team portfolios of most consultancies, small to mid-level businesses, then you can tell me, if there has been progress. Even when you look at IT conferences where professionals are speaking, I don't see change: same old faces like Talking Heads (Same as it ever was). I admit this evidence is anecdotal as in common sense.

Odd thing to count and keep a track of tbh...

Given the headcount of small to mid-level businesses, and that <4% of the population is black, I'd agree your anecdotal evidence is drivel.

On a similar note, I work in London, and in 20 years have only worked with three Project Managers who were from North of the Watford gap.

[Cookielove]

Exactly fiisch !

Some people have zero sense it is hilarious

The latest census shows that only 4% of the population are black this is a white country.

Due to the crazy DEI nut jobs black/ethnic groups are being over represented to tick a box, more so in SME's by proprtion of the population.

As rocktronAMP was banging on about anecdotal and saying it is "common sense" here is one for him:

Can't quote the names as these are real life people. in my most recent job I had dealings with the Home Office and all names bar one were Middle eastern/muslim, African/Indian. It was an eye opener, so you are talking tosh. It was a case of spot the white person you would not think this was a UK office, it felt surreal as I had actually worked at the Home Office two decades ago and the change is phenomenal I was shocked, really shocked at the speed of replacement.

[Smartie]

Exactly fiisch !

Some people have zero sense it is hilarious

The latest census shows that only 4% of the population are black this is a white country.

Due to the crazy DEI nut jobs black/ethnic groups are being over represented to tick a box, more so in SME's by proprtion of the population.

As rocktronAMP was banging on about anecdotal and saying it is "common sense" here is one for him:

Can't quote the names as these are real life people. in my most recent job I had dealings with the Home Office and all names bar one were Middle eastern/muslim, African/Indian. It was an eye opener, so you are talking tosh. It was a case of spot the white person you would not think this was a UK office, it felt surreal as I had actually worked at the Home Office two decades ago and the change is phenomenal I was shocked, really shocked at the speed of replacement.

Kinda missing the point with your data here.

White British in London are just over 50% with Asian 21% and Black 13.5% plus various mixed race.

So, not surprising that the place where most of the jobs are has a different mix to your expectations/experience/rose-tinted whatever.

[Cookielove]

Oh do jog on...it wasn't London I was dealing with it was the Home Office in Leeds for this particular project. It was in very sharp contrast to when I actually worked at the Home Office in the mid 2000's.

You are still talking rubbish by your data if it was in London it should have been say 50% white but it was 5% if that..totally, totally skewed.

Still trying to defend the indefensible.

It is not rose tinted, I actually wish it was just a case of that.

It is facts if you have a pair of eyes in your head and you can read people's names. Two decades later in the same UK wide organisation and just wow! is the only it can be described.

[oliverson]

Oh do jog on...it wasn't London I was dealing with it was the Home Office in Leeds for this particular project. It was in very sharp contrast to when I actually worked at the Home Office in the mid 2000's.

You are still talking rubbish by your data if it was in London it should have been say 50% white but it was 5% if that..totally, totally skewed.

Still trying to defend the indefensible.

It is not rose tinted, I actually wish it was just a case of that.

It is facts if you have a pair of eyes in your head and you can read people's names. Two decades later in the same UK wide organisation and just wow! is the only it can be described.

In my neck of the woods in West Yorkshire and in particular the sizeable housing estate I live on, constructed in 2000, there is definitely a feeling of being replaced. Now I know the closest city has serious problems but that's 5 miles away. The area around it 'fell' many years ago and I thought we'd have a few more years of relative bliss but the speed at which this is happening is frightening, alarming even. Equally worrying is the presence of clearly asylum seekers wandering around, pretty much out of the blue, sticking out like a sore thumb. I feel like a minority at times, which in the city of my birth in the 60's is sad. Even sadder is 2 miles away, my village of birth, it's probably a couple of years ahead of us with this 'transition'.

I think my solution may very well be moving over here (Spain) and becoming somebody else's immigration problem ;-). The kind that pays his way, contributes to the country, commissions Spanish trades people and respects this country's beliefs and culture (except bull fighting but I'm not going to start protesting to stop that).