State of the Market

[Cookielove]

So are you expert genealogist as well? What you describe is sampling rate of 2 over 20 decades. Have you heard of a person being a Russian Jew, German Prussian Pole, or maybe learnt about Naming Tradition culture in different parts of the world? Maybe read up on the Spanish tradition of naming children for instance. The issue was your perception of "whiteness" I thought, but then you observe the names of people in the Leed's Home Office and then jump to a connection /relationship of the "foreign" sounding names. What were these family names then? [ Aman, Benetez, Botun, Califlor, Gipchalet, Patel, Rao, Sanchez, Tangasolusagthan, Vasudev, Zendan ] over [ Abbot, Archer, Benson, Gray, King, Johnstone, Robson, Spencer, Simpon, Tailor, Williams, Watkins ]

It sounds to me like a case of gentrification has happened in Leeds, and perhaps the salaries for the civil service has been stagnant for the last 20 odd years, which means the original people that you loved / worked with, moved out from the inner city donkey's years ago. The local government civil service has therefore to find replacements, hard working employees (and low 8$$ sucker contractors) who were prepare to commute and do the work. What do you prefer then fella? Harry Kane or Eberechi Eze

I don't know, I admit I never lived or worked in Leeds. I had a holiday fling with a girl from Leeds decades ago and I think I visited for a brief interview for some mad banking contract consultancy 15 years ago. Never got it, I think it was called ABGI consulting, BAGI, SGI or something.

Oh dear, dear what word salad is this?!

This is hilarious I ever needed a good laugh, voila I have found it....

Gave up reading as it is nonsense, have you been on the gin or something, it isn't quote wine/beer o'clock yet.

Think you've lost your last brain cell seeing this and you need an urgent intervention.

Anyone writing a novel as a side hustle while looking for the elusive IT role please take note and take a screenshot of this as it is truly comedy gold...

Best laugh I've ever had on a forum.

[sadkingbilly]

Oh dear, dear what word salad is this?!

This is hilarious I ever needed a good laugh, voila I have found it....

Gave up reading as it is nonsense, have you been on the gin or something, it isn't quote wine/beer o'clock yet.

Think you've lost your last brain cell seeing this and you need an urgent intervention.

Anyone writing a novel as a side hustle while looking for the elusive IT role please take note and take a screenshot of this as it is truly comedy gold...

Best laugh I've ever had on a forum.

typical little Engerlander krap.
you and Ollie should get a room, or something, preferably far, far, away

[TheDude]

Well I have seen one Black IT Director (Deutsche Bank 2001) and one Black Head of Engineering (Digital agency 2013) in a British company in my 27 year IT largely software engineering career to date.

If you look at the leadership team portfolios of most consultancies, small to mid-level businesses, then you can tell me, if there has been progress. Even when you look at IT conferences where professionals are speaking, I don't see change: same old faces like Talking Heads (Same as it ever was). I admit this evidence is anecdotal as in common sense.

Black people are under represented in IT. Asians are not so I don't think discrimination is the issue.

[oliverson]

So are you expert genealogist as well? What you describe is sampling rate of 2 over 2 decades. Have you heard of a person being a Russian Jew, German Prussian Pole, or maybe learnt about Naming Tradition culture in different parts of the world? Maybe read up on the Spanish tradition of naming children for instance. The issue was your perception of "whiteness" I thought, but then you observe the names of people in the Leed's Home Office and then jump to a connection /relationship of the "foreign" sounding names. What were these family names then? [ Aman, Benetez, Botun, Califlor, Gipchalet, Patel, Rao, Sanchez, Tangasolusagthan, Vasudev, Zendan ] over [ Abbot, Archer, Benson, Gray, King, Johnstone, Robson, Spencer, Simpon, Tailor, Williams, Watkins ]

It sounds to me like a case of gentrification has happened in Leeds, and perhaps the salaries for the civil service has been stagnant for the last 20 odd years, which means the original people that you loved / worked with, moved out from the inner city donkey's years ago. The local government civil service has therefore to find replacements, hard working employees (and low 8$$ sucker contractors) who were prepare to commute and do the work. What do you prefer then fella? Harry Kane or Eberechi Eze

I don't know, I admit I never lived or worked in Leeds. I had a holiday fling with a girl from Leeds decades ago and I think I visited for a brief interview for some mad banking contract consultancy 15 years ago. Never got it, I think it was called ABGI consulting, BAGI, SGI or something.

Probably BJSS.

[SussexSeagull]

Blaming an economic downturn on minorities has historically not worked out well.

[oliverson]

Blaming an economic downturn on minorities has historically not worked out well.

But when there are loads of experienced UK contractors all on the bench and for lengthy spells, and the indian consultancies are loaded up with work, cleaning up on the contracts that historically would have been serviced by UK contractors, you have to ask the question don't you?

[SussexSeagull]

But when there are loads of experienced UK contractors all on the bench and for lengthy spells, and the indian consultancies are loaded up with work, cleaning up on the contracts that historically would have been serviced by UK contractors, you have to ask the question don't you?

It's globalisation and the way business has worked since the Industrial Revolution. If you look back through history the UK, and the wider west, were market leaders in various industries then what we now call the developing world comes along and slowly become the main suppliers and producers.

I do think we went over the top with IT (and apparently wider STEM) visas in the last couple of decades and now we have an oversaturated market but it is really difficult for the government to stop companies off shoring services, especially as most large companies are basically international concerns now and don't really have an allegiance to the UK.

I don't need to think. It is business trying to reduce expenses and increase profits.

[avonleigh]

It's globalisation and the way business has worked since the Industrial Revolution. If you look back through history the UK, and the wider west, were market leaders in various industries then what we now call the developing world comes along and slowly become the main suppliers and producers.

I do think we went over the top with IT (and apparently wider STEM) visas in the last couple of decades and now we have an oversaturated market but it is really difficult for the government to stop companies off shoring services, especially as most large companies are basically international concerns now and don't really have an allegiance to the UK.

I don't need to think. It is business trying to reduce expenses and increase profits.

You are right that it's hard to stop companies offshoring. You can make them pay more tax but then they will just up sticks and move to a different country. However, successive governments could have stopped giving out visa's quite easily and then the real kick in the teeth is this ridiculous agreement with India that Indian workers pay no NI. This is totally unforgiveable to me and the more I think about it the more mad it makes me.

[sadkingbilly]

Powerpoint Monkeys(PMs) and Bullsh1t Artists(BAs) are a waste of time anyway.

[avonleigh]

Powerpoint Monkeys(PMs) and Bullsh1t Artists(BAs) are a waste of time anyway.

<sigh> - how do you envisage projects being delivered without PM's and BA's. By magical unicorns?