State of the Market

[ladymuck]

I have been quoting high rates and they follow up but it goes nowhere.

I suspect they want a few high rates to justify the chancers they are putting forwards on £500pd

Maybe for a laugh say you'll do it for £450 and see where you get to.

[TheDude]

they can't fill the roles, only so many people will work at *insert crap London based workplace* et al. for 700pd inside ir35 and those that take these roles will try and get out in short order.

maket is really moving at the minute, something will need to give in the London market eventually, might take a while but they can't get getting and retaining the best candidates.

I have been quoting high rates and they follow up but it goes nowhere.

I suspect they want a few high rates to justify the chancers they are putting forwards on £500pd

[Bluenose]

I have noticed that I am being approached a lot more for contract roles at the likes of Infosys, Tata, Crap Gemini etc etc.

An inevitable effect of IR35?

they can't fill the roles, only so many people will work at *insert crap London based workplace* et al. for 700pd inside ir35 and those that take these roles will try and get out in short order.

maket is really moving at the minute, something will need to give in the London market eventually, might take a while but they can't get getting and retaining the best candidates.

[rocktronAMP]

I have noticed that I am being approached a lot more for contract roles at the likes of Infosys, Tata, Crap Gemini etc etc.

An inevitable effect of IR35?

Possibly, because we are in the middle of tight labour markets. Great skills and cheap salaries / low contractor rates are hard to find. The above companies are chancing their arms and promising to resource for future tender. And Dudie you are 100% right not to play ball, if you can help it!

[TheDude]

I have noticed that I am being approached a lot more for contract roles at the likes of Infosys, Tata, Crap Gemini etc etc.

An inevitable effect of IR35?

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Presumably the type of firms that use Workday are rather large and have instigated blanket bans on outside IR35 engagements.

Yes - exactly this.

[TheDude]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

Presumably the type of firms that use Workday are rather large and have instigated blanket bans on outside IR35 engagements.

[eek]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

You are probably party to a different issue - multinationals remember what happened with the IRS back in the 1980-2005 and corporate memories are very long when the costs and pain are massive.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

99% of contracts in what I do (Workday) are still inside - despite clients generally having zero people with the same skills, and most assignments being one-off projects, way outside business as usual activities.

I guess it's somewhat dependent on the sector.

There are more contracts about though, which is slightly encouraging.

As I won't work inside, I've been a permie for the last couple of years, waiting it out to see if things improve.

[eek]

Things in project management seem to have gone awry.

I mean the majority of them are now comfortably inside gigs with those that are outside paying criminally low rates.

You’ll get the odd role that’s outside but the majority are now inside which is the safe play. I myself have had to hang the LTD up for now...not even sure if it’ll be used again if things keep going this way.

It's very hard to pretend a project management contract is outside when you have employees doing the exact same job.

Developers always have the "we need a very specific skill" get out clause that doesn't exist for things that companies do do on a day to day basis.