[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[Paddy]

It does make our bickering about the PM eating a piece of cake at work seem really rather trivial.

But it does deflect attention that the Tories and the PM and the Brexit campaign received massive amounts of funding from Russian Oligarchs who are close friends with Putin.

[vetran]

A fixed penalty isn't a criminal offence. And you've had about 6 months to adjust, the fine doesn't change anything we already knew.

You accept responsibility for breaking the law when you accept a fixed penalty and pay the fine. Read the small print.

It is however not "recordable" (it doesn't go on your police record for DBS etc checks).

If you contest it in court or don't pay on time then it becomes recordable.


Fixed penalty is just a way to allow the Police to punish minor offences without resource to court. i.e. cost savings.

[DealorNoDeal]

A fixed penalty isn't a criminal offence. And you've had about 6 months to adjust, the fine doesn't change anything we already knew.

Well, we've always known he was a lying, cheating scumbag, so I don't think anyone should really be surprised. It does exactly what it says on the tin.

Personally I was expecting something far worse to trip him up, like being caught with a prostitute or a teenage girl. But I guess there's still time.

[d000hg]

The illegality is not the thing that matters here, it's the principle and the way it was dismissed/allegedly lied about. Like how Hancock had to resign not because he was a dirty cheating scumbag who got caught, but because he broke the 2m rule while doing it. The fixed penalty notice (which doesn't make him a criminal) is neither here nor there. Might as well oust someone for getting a speeding fine or parking ticket.

But we seem to have wandered into the Partygate thread now. We could continue this there if anyone cares enough.

[vetran]

The illegality is not the thing that matters here, it's the principle and the way it was dismissed/allegedly lied about. Like how Hancock had to resign not because he was a dirty cheating scumbag who got caught, but because he broke the 2m rule while doing it. The fixed penalty notice (which doesn't make him a criminal) is neither here nor there. Might as well oust someone for getting a speeding fine or parking ticket.

But we seem to have wandered into the Partygate thread now. We could continue this there if anyone cares enough.

Criminal - a person who has committed a crime.

Crime - an action or omission which constitutes an offence and is punishable by law.

Offence - a breach of a law or rule; an illegal act.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...says-criminal/

A failure to comply with coronavirus regulations is a summary offence.

He may not get a criminal record but he wouldn't for smoking cannabis publicly. He is still a self admitted criminal.

I agree the dismissal and lying is much more offensive just as lying about a speeding ticket would be.

[OwlHoot]

The illegality is not the thing that matters here, it's the principle and the way it was dismissed/allegedly lied about. ..

That certainly matters in principle. But what is also worrying in a PM is the sheer crass stupidity and utter lack of self awareness, especially in someone like Boris who is obsessed with next day's headlines.

The first thing that should have occurred to anyone with an ounce of common sense is that if you make a statutory order then it's best not to be seen breaking it yourself!

[DealorNoDeal]

The first thing that should have occurred to anyone with an ounce of common sense is that if you make a statutory order then it's best not to be seen breaking it yourself!

Yes but if you've gone though your entire life with a belief that "rules are for the little people" it would probably never occur to you.

[OwlHoot]

It does make our bickering about the PM eating a piece of cake at work seem really rather trivial.

Obviously, as I'm sure you're aware, it's not eating cake that is the problem per se, more that it's indicative of what a hypocritical, careless, entitled oaf Boris is, and that could feed into something that really does matter!

For example, right now he is busy trying to finalise a deal with India which will decimate the UK IT contracting industry, even though India already has a trade surplus with the UK so there is no need to make any concessions with them, if anything the reverse, and all for a headline picture of Boris grinning and wearing a silly hat!

[OwlHoot]

Why? As NAT says, all Putin would be doing is demoing what every knows he has already ... and the risk is, the demo goes wrong (misfires, a squib) and that would make Putin a laughing stock. Not worth the risk for him - if he uses one, it's because he's using it, not just for a demo. ..

2022-04-20 Russia tests new intercontinental ballistic nuke - as Putin warns the hypersonic 'Satan II' weapon that 'can destroy UK' will 'provide food for thought for our enemies'

He even used that same phrase I did a few days before the launch, "food for thought"! Could it be he reads CUK?!

[NotAllThere]

Please take this to the partygate thread.