[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[SueEllen]

Ukrainians are now contemplating not to provide coordinates of hospitals to the UN, where Russia also has access to them as Russia seems to attack them as soon as they get them.

Well Russia is still on the security council and can't be removed....

[d000hg]

Just look at what the chances are that so many hospitals, schools etc are being bombed by accident, also taking in account exact the same thing happened in Syria and Chechnya. There is no other conclusion than it's deliberate.
Ukrainians are now contemplating not to provide coordinates of hospitals to the UN, where Russia also has access to them as Russia seems to attack them as soon as they get them.

If you bomb a residential area you are going to hit schools and hospitals and churches and so on - are they doing so disproportionately?
Of course bombing residential areas is in itself counter to all civilised "rules of war" but to deliberately target a hospital is a special kind of awful.

[AtW]

Agreed, the point and fire rockets like Javelin are very accurate and effective and can be used by anyone. These will will win the war if enough are supplied. They cost $175k each.

NLAWs are much cheaper ($25k) and work VERY well, UK got at least 20,000 of them and shipped close to 4000 - should have been at least 10000 by now and armour would stop in their tracks.

[AtW]

IF he has been sanctioned, he is not able to generate revenue. Season tickets have already been sold, gate tickets haven't. It's all perfectly logical. Sensible, however, is a different question...

There are plenty of examples where owners were sanctioned but companies they owned were allowed to continue generating revenue for the company, but were not allowed to distribute it to the owner.

Freezing his assets is good idea, no point undermining that asset by banning ticket sales as it would just reduce the value that it can be sold for later with money going to Ukraine as part of Russian reparations.

No good reason to create backlash from fans who can't get tickets.

I'm sure he'll find time to drive the lorry across Europe.... Or, silly idea, perhaps he can ask the army to do it

I don't expect him to drive trucks, obviously.

It's Boris who decides how many to ship - 10% of what's available, 25% or 50% or even more. These are pretty short range missiles anyway and there are maybe 150-200 of them in the UK, not a huge number but could make a difference in key cities that are getting bombed with dumb 500 kg bombs.

[AtW]

Just look at what the chances are that so many hospitals, schools etc are being bombed by accident, also taking in account exact the same thing happened in Syria and Chechnya. There is no other conclusion than it's deliberate.

Indeed. The West had collective relief when Russia finally finished off all the hospitals in Syria - over 3-4 weeks of bombing, including bunker busting bombs to get underground hospitals, nobody in the press cared to remember it since.

[OwlHoot]

If you bomb a residential area you are going to hit schools and hospitals and churches and so on - are they doing so disproportionately?
Of course bombing residential areas is in itself counter to all civilised "rules of war" but to deliberately target a hospital is a special kind of awful.

It's pretty obvious the Ukrainians were deliberately using the hospital as a military HQ of some kind, and patients there were little short of Saddam-style human shields.

Bottom line is that no doubt both sides are playing dirty.

[cojak]

It's pretty obvious the Ukrainians were deliberately using the hospital as a military HQ of some kind, and patients there were little short of Saddam-style human shields.

Bottom line is that no doubt both sides are playing dirty.

Could you be specific on the ‘pretty obvious’ bit?

[AtW]

It's pretty obvious the Ukrainians were deliberately using the hospital as a military HQ of some kind, and patients there were little short of Saddam-style human shields. Bottom line is that no doubt both sides are playing dirty.

Wow, just wow.

[d000hg]

Could you be specific on the ‘pretty obvious’ bit?

He saw it on Russian news.


Just to be clear, if you put soldiers in a room with children it's still a room with children.

[Whorty]

It's pretty obvious the Ukrainians were deliberately using the hospital as a military HQ of some kind, and patients there were little short of Saddam-style human shields.

Only if you're an idiot ...

It's pretty obvious the Ukrainians were deliberately using the hospital as a military HQ of some kind, and patients there were little short of Saddam-style human shields.

Nice deflection their, trying to label those being invaded when they've done nothing wrong as being the same as a dictator who gased his own people and invaded other countries

Bottom line is that no doubt both sides are playing dirty.

No ... Ukraine has been invaded and are trying to defend their people, homes, country. Only Russia, as the aggressor, is dirty here fella. Or would you also claim, if someone broke into your house and started ransack it, and you tried to stop them, that both you and the burglar are in the wrong?

FFS, there really are some idiots on this forum.