R>1

[d000hg]

Rest of the world: "Well lets hope Delta doesn't mutate further into a vaccine resistant strain"
England with their 'lets infect as many people as possible approach': "Hold my beer..."

If everyone gets it before it has a chance to mutate we're golden

[SueEllen]

If everyone gets it before it has a chance to mutate we're golden

Which won't happen.

Oh and one of Keir Starmer's children has Covid.

So now the PM and the Leader of the opposition have both got to self-isolate....

[GigiBronz]

If everyone gets it before it has a chance to mutate we're golden

you can still get it and also get the mutant version from a different part of the word, if it doesn't mutate here it doesn't mean it won't mutate somewhere else.

[dsc]

The more you let the virus "roam" the higher the chances of it mutating. Let it spread in a vaccinated group of people and sooner or later it will mutate to evade the vaccine so that it can survive. So the whole "herd immunity" approach is dumber than anything else, especially with cases soaring as it means you need to reach 98% vaccination levels to stop the spread (the higher the R the higher the % or vaccinated people).

[AtW]

"Sage adviser claims ministers trying to get as many as possible infected with Covid

Exclusive: Prof Robert West says rhetoric about caution is ‘a way of putting blame on public’

A scientist advising the government has accused ministers of allowing infections to rip through the younger population in an effort to bolster levels of immunity before the NHS faces winter pressures.

“What we are seeing is a decision by the government to get as many people infected as possible, as quickly as possible, while using rhetoric about caution as a way of putting the blame on the public for the consequences,” said Prof Robert West, a health psychologist at University College London who participates in Sage’s behavioural science subgroup.

“It looks like the government judges that the damage to health and healthcare services will be worth the political capital it will gain from this approach,” West said, adding that ministers appear to believe the strategy is now sustainable – unlike last year – because of the vaccine rollout.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...adviser-claims

Well, one does not need to have a PhD to see the master plan

[mattster]

"Sage adviser claims ministers trying to get as many as possible infected with Covid

Well, one does not need to have a PhD to see the master plan

Of course they are, nothing else can explain what they are doing - this is a deliberate strategy not just to let the young get infected, but to do it as quickly and as comprehensively as possible. If they get away with it (and they might), Boris will declare himself a genius. If not, it will be our fault.

[AtW]

Of course they are, nothing else can explain what they are doing - this is a deliberate strategy not just to let the young get infected, but to do it as quickly and as comprehensively as possible. If they get away with it (and they might), Boris will declare himself a genius. If not, it will be our fault.

A fool proof plan, with no obvious downsides, innit?

[Fraidycat]

Covid was just 26th on the list of killer diseases for June, its over we beat it


Ischaemic heart diseases: 4,183 deaths
Dementia and Alzheimer's disease: 3,962 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung: 2,241 deaths
Cerebrovascular diseases: 2,123 deaths
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 1,757 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of colon, sigmoid, rectum and anus: 1,122 deaths
Influenza and pneumonia: 1,045 deaths
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions: 993 deaths
Malignant neoplasms, stated or presumed to be primary of lymphoid, haematopoietic and related tissue: 922 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of prostate: 815 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of breast: 758 deaths
Cirrhosis and other diseases of liver: 735 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of pancreas: 726 deaths
Heart failure and complications and ill-defined heart disease: 628 deaths
Cardiac arrhythmias: 622 deaths
Diseases of the urinary system: 566 deaths
Hypertensive diseases: 562 deaths
Diabetes: 545 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of oesophagus: 541 deaths
Parkinson disease: 488 deaths
Pulmonary oedema and other interstitial pulmonary diseases: 469 deaths
Nonrheumatic valve disorders and endocarditis: 467 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of liver and intrahepatic bile ducts: 440 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of bladder: 394 deaths
Aortic aneurysm and dissection: 365 deaths
Covid: 344 deaths

[SueEllen]

A fool proof plan, with no obvious downsides, innit?

Except you can get reinfected with Covid...

[northernladuk]

Covid was just 26th on the list of killer diseases for June, its over we beat it


Ischaemic heart diseases: 4,183 deaths
Dementia and Alzheimer's disease: 3,962 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung: 2,241 deaths
Cerebrovascular diseases: 2,123 deaths
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 1,757 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of colon, sigmoid, rectum and anus: 1,122 deaths
Influenza and pneumonia: 1,045 deaths
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions: 993 deaths
Malignant neoplasms, stated or presumed to be primary of lymphoid, haematopoietic and related tissue: 922 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of prostate: 815 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of breast: 758 deaths
Cirrhosis and other diseases of liver: 735 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of pancreas: 726 deaths
Heart failure and complications and ill-defined heart disease: 628 deaths
Cardiac arrhythmias: 622 deaths
Diseases of the urinary system: 566 deaths
Hypertensive diseases: 562 deaths
Diabetes: 545 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of oesophagus: 541 deaths
Parkinson disease: 488 deaths
Pulmonary oedema and other interstitial pulmonary diseases: 469 deaths
Nonrheumatic valve disorders and endocarditis: 467 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of liver and intrahepatic bile ducts: 440 deaths
Malignant neoplasm of bladder: 394 deaths
Aortic aneurysm and dissection: 365 deaths
Covid: 344 deaths

You are forgetting the fact that catching and dying of covid is easly avoidable and with the right measure/common sense applied those number can be reduced. The same can't be said of any of the others so even though covid is 344 deaths that's still to many for something that can be avoided.

That list also doesn't account for long covid affects plus the business/lifestyle impacts of people around you being infected.

To put covid in that list and apply any conclusion is seriously flawed.