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[Whorty]

I think you're making some pretty big generalisations.

If you want to devote yourself to womens' rights then great, go for it. Until of course women get upset a man thinks they need defending. You're a man talking about what's best for women too, you see.

Ah, nice deflection there ... where your argument fails though is I'm not defending women's rights, and neither am I saying I know what's best. I am however suggesting you listen to what they are saying, rather than constantly talking and giving your opinion on something that does not impact you.

It really is that simple.

Edit: but I get that you, Vetran etc don't think you're doing anything wrong. You're not going to change. I just hope you don't have daughters, but if you do why not sit down and listen to them. Actually listen and get them to tell you honestly some of the stories that they and their friends have. Or not ... your choice.

[BR14]

Ah, nice deflection there ... where your argument fails though is I'm not defending women's rights, and neither am I saying I know what's best. I am however suggesting you listen to what they are saying, rather than constantly talking and giving your opinion on something that does not impact you.

It really is that simple.

Like you do, constantly then? do as i say, don't do as i do.
typical.

[Whorty]

Like you do, constantly then? do as i say, don't do as i do.
typical.

Go on then big man, what have I given an opinion on, where someone or a group have said they are impacted by something but I think I know best?

Of course, if someone asks for an opinion I'll give it if I think I have something to say, but I don't believe I talk down to people who have a grievance. But happy for you to quote where I have.

Edit: and I'm going to need quite a few examples as you claim I do it constantly

[DealorNoDeal]

Makes my eyes roll when I hear transwomen activists (ie. biological men) telling women that they hope they get raped or die in a fire.

And they say they feel like a woman. They've no idea.

The overwhelming majority of violent crime is perpetrated by men. 93% of convicted murderers are men.

In 2019/20 fewer than 2,000 rape cases were prosecuted - less than 3% of the more than 55,000 rapes reported to the police.
Less than 1% of the estimated total number of rapes result in a conviction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56402068

[Zigenare]

The overwhelming majority of violent crime is perpetrated by men.

Yep, and 20% of the victims are women.

[DealorNoDeal]

Yep, and 20% of the victims are women.

Maybe if that % also applied to rape and sexual assault, women wouldn't feel quite so fearful.

[d000hg]

Makes my eyes roll when I hear transwomen activists (ie. biological men) telling women that they hope they get raped or die in a fire.

I've never heard anyone say that, WTF.

[Whorty]

Yep, and 20% of the victims are women.

That's a bit whataboutery .... we're talking crimes against women, and you try to switch it to be crimes against men. You see why we need to be listening?

Is that figure so low though because many charges relating to crimes against women are dropped? If more went through to conviction, then maybe that figure would be higher?

[NotAllThere]

I've never heard anyone say that, WTF.

Check the twitter stream of any woman who has said that biological sex is important. JK Rowling, Jenny Murray, Germain Greer ...

[vetran]

Ah, nice deflection there ... where your argument fails though is I'm not defending women's rights, and neither am I saying I know what's best. I am however suggesting you listen to what they are saying, rather than constantly talking and giving your opinion on something that does not impact you.

It really is that simple.

Edit: but I get that you, Vetran etc don't think you're doing anything wrong. You're not going to change. I just hope you don't have daughters, but if you do why not sit down and listen to them. Actually listen and get them to tell you honestly some of the stories that they and their friends have. Or not ... your choice.

You have daughters - I was not aware of that? Or is that something you know nothing about that you opine on?

My daughters however are free to talk as they like subject to the boundaries of politeness (not prudishness) , some things they tell me, some their mum it very much depends on what it is. If for instance they had knowingly broken the law they would almost certainly tell their mum as she is likely to be more understanding. However they do come to me when in trouble for many things and whenever something needs fixing. I frequently have to adjust my attitude as things change, hormonal teenagers are like earthquakes.

I have never suggested that unpleasant behaviour towards women was acceptable or even uncommon. I have suggested ignoring Covid restrictions to protest or even have a vigil was foolish and I felt sorry for the situation Police were put in.

I have frequently said the real issue with a lot of this is incompetence & prejudice in the police & Justice system. The lamentable rate of successful prosecutions for rape is disgusting but assuming all men accused are rapists and should be locked up without trial is not a solution. There needs to be a better path. Having watched a trial fail because Police had failed to secure text evidence among other things it was saddening.

How do other countries deal with inappropriate behaviour , sexual assault, and rape? What can we do to reduce it?

The police apparently are going to go out to nightclubs undercover - when they can't even spare officers to investigate murders its hardly likely that will work.

Here are a few suggestions, others welcome.

Educating girls and boys about boundaries, mutual respect and communication might help.

Maybe teach women self defence moves?

I suspect a lot of the worst behaviour is alcohol / drugs fuelled. That is what I saw when I was younger.

Training and tasking Bar staff, security guards and venues with protecting their customers from each other when intoxicated with alcohol they sold them. More female security staff may help , I used to work with a lady who did security at the weekend her colleagues there were a tiny bit afraid of her fighting skills but she was also more approachable.

Encouraging prosecution of licensed premises for selling alcohol to very drunk people also would make them think.

Booze buses would be effective and could depend on volunteers.

Many of the calls on radio suggest the cat calling is from grown men (frequently van drivers) to girls which seems odd but maybe attack that demographic?

I am sorry walking home alone through a darkened park is a risk I wouldn't let my daughters take, in fact I will go and collect them from work or friends many nights a week to avoid that. Their male friends also walk them home or they go as a gang of females.

When I had girlfriends or with lone female friends I will drop / walk them home and make sure they got in the door. I nowadays frequently walk home lady guests from our parties even if I am drunk my presence makes it less risky. This idea that nasty people shouldn't exist is a just wishful thinking, they do and you have to work round it!

Maybe we could fit CCTV and AI to the area so police or civilian watchers are alerted in real time would make things like this less likely?

As an old fart If I go out on the beers and I am likely to be coming home alone I don't wear expensive watches or carry any serious valuables with me so I can throw them my wallet and walk away when mugged, it shouldn't be like that but it is.