Results of the public sector consultation is up

[BoredBloke]

My thinking was if the intention for some was to obtain employment rights, then losing the limited makes you look more like the employees of the client. I understand why they their use was stopped back in the 70's because I remember my dad having to set up his limited company

[DotasScandal]

Re that link post from Andy - corroborates my point that essentially junior people come up with these policies. Not senior. No sir. Senior people just pass on and forward to Ministers. The Minsters just sit there in meeting on their smartphone and, as long as the outcome is in line with Government policy, just agree to it. It wins votes. Trust me, I've seen it first hand, I've been in those meetings. There are no significant thought processes around all these policies. Just vote winning policies.

"IDS: The Treasury is run by a bunch of 27 year old civil servants who know nothing"

"The average age in the Treasury is 27. They spend no more than two years in any single part of the Treasury.
They have no collective memory for any agreement or decision that had been taken before they arrived at their desks.
Everything is up for grabs immediately someone new moves in and they dictate every single policy area across government"

[seeourbee]

Yeah the ones I worked with asked me if we had any opportunities for Osborne to wear a hard hat. I asked if they were joking. They weren't. They genuinely were basing project funding decisions on photo ops for the then Chancellor.

And now this. I shouldn't really be surprised, but I repeatedly am.

[eek]

My thinking was if the intention for some was to obtain employment rights, then losing the limited makes you look more like the employees of the client. I understand why they their use was stopped back in the 70's because I remember my dad having to set up his limited company

Given that even agency's can see the fun that will occur with the agency act I don't think whether you use an umbrella or a limited company will make any difference.

[eek]

Yeah the ones I worked with asked me if we had any opportunities for Osborne to wear a hard hat. I asked if they were joking. They weren't. They genuinely were basing project funding decisions on photo ops for the then Chancellor.

And now this. I shouldn't really be surprised, but I repeatedly am.

I'm not surprised, remember the adage be careful what you wish for it may come true...

This is going to be a very slow motion train wreck and I think a few of us around here are going to die of over consumption....

[Hotsauce56]

Invaluable insights in this forum, and id agree that we are certainly the minority who are in the know about this. Im junior compared to you guys and have managed to find an out which I hope will keep me outside (even if it does not its still a fair whack more on rate).

Im struggling to get a comprehensive idea on whether I am caught as a contractor working for capita / kpmg / private sector consultancy, who is seconded into a public sector customer to perform a public sector function 3 days out of my 5 workload for the private company.

Qdos say no and cite the Janice example - Orange genie's webinar was unclear on this example.

Can anyone speak with certainty on this?

[Lance]

Invaluable insights in this forum, and id agree that we are certainly the minority who are in the know about this. Im junior compared to you guys and have managed to find an out which I hope will keep me outside (even if it does not its still a fair whack more on rate).

Im struggling to get a comprehensive idea on whether I am caught as a contractor working for capita / kpmg / private sector consultancy, who is seconded into a public sector customer to perform a public sector function 3 days out of my 5 workload for the private company.

Qdos say no and cite the Janice example - Orange genie's webinar was unclear on this example.

Can anyone speak with certainty on this?

It depends on:-
- precisely what you are doing for the 3 days
- what the PS body see you as (named person they pay a rate for, or integral part of the Capita service)

If you're seconded I'd say it's likely you're inside, but the devil's in the detail.

[youngguy]

So just for fun what are the predictions for the longer term (ie a few yrs down the line).

The end of ltd contracting , a complete retraction , new frameworks for circumventing rules , everyone costing twice as much ?

Warm up those crystal balls!

[northernladuk]

So just for fun what are the predictions for the longer term (ie a few yrs down the line).

The end of ltd contracting , a complete retraction , new frameworks for circumventing rules , everyone costing twice as much ?

Warm up those crystal balls!

How about start a new thread asking this rather than de-railing this one?

[Cirrus]

So just for fun what are the predictions for the longer term ..., everyone costing twice as much ?

Recently I had been pulling £650 per day. I then hit a slow patch and wanted some revenue coming in before the end of my company year so I went for interviews at £450, even as low as £349.

The same is going to happen when tax goes up for everyone. You'll just have to accept less cash coming in.

To some extent I think rates will go up but not by anywhere near enough. You've got to realise that clients will just be getting exactly they same as the ever did so why would they want to swallow a big uplift? They like contractors because they are easy to recruit (put out an advert and you get 10 good people by late Thursday. For permies it can take ages to find anyone who can walk and chew gum at the same time). They like contractors because they can flex their numbers without hassle. But already firms feel pain from contractor costs. This will just tip the balance towards filling roles with permies

I think there will still be an active contractor market but noticeably less financially attractive.