Results of the public sector consultation is up

[sal]

What's the logic behind it? Is it some deluded belief that they'll make a net gain in revenue?

No, they will make gross gain in revenue. that's all that Joe Public cares about...

[LondonManc]

No, they will make gross gain in revenue. that's all that Joe Public cares about...

On the face of it. Except people will go perm on lower salaries. They're assuming that everyone will remain contracting.

[eek]

On the face of it. Except people will go perm on lower salaries. They're assuming that everyone will remain contracting.

I think they would be happy with that. Watching NHS departments be decimated as everyone leaves as locum work is less stressful, more money and so less hours is not something they want.

[seeourbee]

In that letter the phrase "would otherwise be employed" is interesting as the contracts I do are there for finite periods, and they specifically DON'T want to recruit an employee as the employee increases headcount and is redundant when the task is finished.

Food for thought.

[BoredBloke]

See my post above. It's designed to say don't try and wiggle out of these changes - if you think there are tricks you can pull statement 13 is killing them early...

I see what you are saying, but can't help that this is going to be extended sooner than we think....especially when the public sector can't recruit. It's only fair that contractors doing the same role in the private sector pay the same employment taxes as those in the public sector.

[rocktronAMP]

Given the Uber ruling, surely it's in public sector interest to not have loads of contractors claiming sick days, holidays, union representation and everything else? On that basis alone, I'd say that the public sector department ultimately using the contractor should be arbitrarily allowed to decide which type of contractor they want - a short term perm or a true freelancer. Hector shouldn't get a say because it's the public sector department that's taking the extra administration on or not.

What that would need, though, is a clear definition of off payroll or not, e.g. sick pay, holiday pay, union representation, forced working hours (9-5 M-F, unless permies can do different), etc. versus less control, no work no pay, etc. If public sector bodies can see the pros and cons of both methods of engagement and they are responsible for reporting which staff are recruited under which approach, then it would make life easier for everyone.

Am I dumb? Who is Hector?

[northernladuk]

Am I dumb? Who is Hector?

[seeourbee]

Hector's dead, baby, Hector's dead ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1109716.stm

[youngguy]

I see what you are saying, but can't help that this is going to be extended sooner than we think....especially when the public sector can't recruit. It's only fair that contractors doing the same role in the private sector pay the same employment taxes as those in the public sector.

Exactly. They will cite the parity and fairness card and you can't argue with the logic of the same role in any sector should pay the same tax.

I wonder whether they think in a yr or two all the links will be ironed out and then they have evidence that it has 'worked' in the ps

[jonnyboy]

Had a conversation this morning with an agency - they wanted me for a Snr DWH NHS Role. I said Pass, and explained why.
The 15yo girl trying to put me forward did not know anything about the changes, IR35 etc.. she said there was a meeting tomorrow morning at her agency by her bosses and 'some accounts man' about "something called Ay-or 30 which comes into force next year regarding tax.".. spent a couple of minutes filling her in.

Bless.