Results of the public sector consultation is up

[bobspud]

It'll be those pesky junior civil servants who are feeling violently underpaid.

Frankly they are compared to some of our wonderful contractors.

[seeourbee]

They are paid proportionately correctly for their skill set and ability actually. If anything they are paid far too much.

[bobspud]

They are paid proportionately correctly for their skill set and ability actually. If anything they are paid far too much.

No thats a symptom...

In the 60's the CS was a well paid profession then the 70's 80's and 90's happened and today you can see serious roles with major responsibility being offered for less than a well paid PA...

I worked at a place that actively made sure they de-skilled their IT team because they got sick of training people for banks to nick. So they moved from being guys that did stuff to guys that bought solutions instead.

if you suddenly introduce a problem where the Civil Servants are on £90k+ plus to equalise them with the now "employed" contractors your personality types willing to compete for the roles are going to change very fast...

[LondonManc]

No thats a symptom...

In the 60's the CS was a well paid profession then the 70's 80's and 90's happened and today you can see serious roles with major responsibility being offered for less than a well paid PA...

I worked at a place that actively made sure they de-skilled their IT team because they got sick of training people for banks to nick. So they moved from being guys that did stuff to guys that bought solutions instead.

if you suddenly introduce a problem where the Civil Servants are on £90k+ plus to equalise them with the now "employed" contractors your personality types willing to compete for the roles are going to change very fast...

Or if you base the CS jobs away from London, banks are less likely to nick them.

[seeourbee]

A well paid PA on 70k ? Where is that then ? I'm not suggesting equalising at all, I'm saying they are paid appropriately. And I was referring to the junior Ines as per the post above anyway. 3 days a week "working from home" ?Jesus wept. I've always said pay the skilled ones higher and let the chaff go. Make the marketplace competitive, that's all good. The volume of chaff still staggers me after 10 years.

[m0n1k3r]

Just to clarify, does this only apply to single director ltds?

No.

* you pay yourself through your own limited company or partnership (sometimes called an ‘intermediary’ or ‘personal service company’) or you have a material interest in that company

As for "material interest":

An individual has a material interest in a company if either Test A or Test B below is satisfied.

Test A
Any of the following is the beneficial owner of, or is able to control directly or indirectly more than five per cent of the company’s ordinary share capital:

* the individual on his own or with any one or more of his associates, or
* an associate of his, with or without other associates of his.

E.g. any limited company in which you and people related to you own more than 5% of the ordinary share capital. Ownership, not directorship, is the main thing, but directorship can also play a role:

IR35 may also apply if you’re working through an intermediary and you:

* or your intermediary, or client are abroad
* work in the construction industry
* are an office-holder

E.g. a consultancy would need at least 20 shareholders, each not owning more than 5%, in order to fall outside the realm of IR35. Therefore, an employee-owned consultancy of a decent size, where a certain part of the annual profits are shared by means of dividends, is outside IR35.

[m0n1k3r]

Contractor : OK, so that's £XXX per day plus sick pay, holiday pay, training, paternity/maternity leave, pension, etc etc.
Permie : Hang on I only get £X per day to do the same job. That's not fair!
Union Rep : So Mr Public Sector Employer, about your equal pay obligations...

Public Sector Employer: Mr Contractor, I'm afraid we have a statutory duty to pay you less in order to comply with the law and collective agreement rates.

[DaveB]

Public Sector Employer: Mr Contractor, I'm afraid we have a statutory duty to pay you less in order to comply with the law and collective agreement rates.

Contractor : Ok, I'm Offski. Good luck finding a replacement.

[seeourbee]

Contractor : Ok, I'm Offski. Good luck finding a replacement.

But that's not really the outcome any of us want though

[LondonManc]

But that's not really the outcome any of us want though

But it's the harsh reality that the public sector has already been facing.