Results of the public sector consultation is up

[bobspud]

The problem with the paper is that the current case law will drive a rather large bus through it. Or end up providing a perfect case where any contractor in the sector will have a watertight case to gain full employee rights that will dwarf the tax collected.

The part to remember is that if you are under the banner of an SI working on a government site you are not a government worker and never have been you are rather ironically in the private sector and being given a sub contracted role in a delivery that the SI owns the risk on.

The government can scream whine or push as much as it wants but if Cap/FJS/HP/ATOS want an outcome then guess who wins? The last thing any of them want is a batch of disguised employment cases just to prove the governments point.

[SueEllen]

Just to clarify, does this only apply to single director ltds?

Nope otherwise people would wiggle out if it.

[Gaz_M]

I see what you are saying, but can't help that this is going to be extended sooner than we think....especially when the public sector can't recruit. It's only fair that contractors doing the same role in the private sector pay the same employment taxes as those in the public sector.

100% correct.

[eek]

The problem with the paper is that the current case law will drive a rather large bus through it. Or end up providing a perfect case where any contractor in the sector will have a watertight case to gain full employee rights that will dwarf the tax collected.

The part to remember is that if you are under the banner of an SI working on a government site you are not a government worker and never have been you are rather ironically in the private sector and being given a sub contracted role in a delivery that the SI owns the risk on.

I would say but its not as if we haven't told them. And its not the employment rights they need to worry about, its the bit that follows after someones got employment rights that is the real bit and only a few around here have worked out what that second step is and the consequences of it.

[DaveB]

I would say but its not as if we haven't told them. And its not the employment rights they need to worry about, its the consequences of someone getting employment rights that is the real bit and only a few around here have worked out what that second step is and the consequences of it.

Contractor : OK, so that's £XXX per day plus sick pay, holiday pay, training, paternity/maternity leave, pension, etc etc.
Permie : Hang on I only get £X per day to do the same job. That's not fair!
Union Rep : So Mr Public Sector Employer, about your equal pay obligations...

[eek]

Contractor : OK, so that's £XXX per day plus sick pay, holiday pay, training, paternity/maternity leave, pension, etc etc.
Permie : Hang on I only get £X per day to do the same job. That's not fair!
Union Rep : So Mr Public Sector Employer, about your equal pay obligations...

It's also not as if I haven't explicitly warned them of the consequences of the uber tribunal and the equalities act.

Shall we just say that I laughed out loud and facepalmed as I read the actual clause.

[Lance]

Contractor : OK, so that's £XXX per day plus sick pay, holiday pay, training, paternity/maternity leave, pension, etc etc.
Permie : Hang on I only get £X per day to do the same job. That's not fair!
Union Rep : So Mr Public Sector Employer, about your equal pay obligations...

Huge wage inflation ensues.
Sterling devalued even further.
Race to the bottom commences for the private sector (by market forces not IR35).
Then we can start to compete with the Chinese for exports and starvation.

#itstheendoftheworld

[LondonManc]

Huge wage inflation ensues.
Sterling devalued even further.
Race to the bottom commences for the private sector (by market forces not IR35).
Then we can start to compete with the Chinese for exports and starvation.

#itstheendoftheworld

But at least you'll be able to afford a house on public sector wages

[bobspud]

Contractor : OK, so that's £XXX per day plus sick pay, holiday pay, training, paternity/maternity leave, pension, etc etc.
Permie : Hang on I only get £X per day to do the same job. That's not fair!
Union Rep : So Mr Public Sector Employer, about your equal pay obligations...

It's almost as if someone wanted that exact scenario...

As others have said despite the noise if you are outside IR35 this year you probably will be next year but the tightrope the client is walking right now is going to make the public sector very lucrative in the next decade.

[LondonManc]

It's almost as if someone wanted that exact scenario...

As others have said despite the noise if you are outside IR35 this year you probably will be next year but the tightrope the client is walking right now is going to make the public sector very lucrative in the next decade.

It'll be those pesky junior civil servants who are feeling violently underpaid.