Gaza blockaded

[malvolio]

I wonder how many in Israel would (secretly) like to see Gaza wiped out.

https://thebulletin.org/2023/11/isra...option-in-gaza

Probably not that many, in reality. There have ben Palestinians integrated into Israel for many years. Hamas is another question.

Most of the hysteria is based around the casualty figures that come out of Gaza. 9700 dead Palestinians of which 4800 are children for example according to the Gaza Ministry of Health (any relation to Minitru I wonder...). Apart from asking why there are still that many children in the war zone, don't the proportions seem a little suspect. Plus, earlier claims of 5000 dead turned out to be 25 or so...

Nobody can dispute that civilian casualties are far too high. However, the divide between Hamas and Palestinians should be kept very clear IMVHO. As should the difference between a war and a disinfection.

[Lance]

Probably not that many, in reality. There have ben Palestinians integrated into Israel for many years. Hamas is another question.

Most of the hysteria is based around the casualty figures that come out of Gaza. 9700 dead Palestinians of which 4800 are children for example according to the Gaza Ministry of Health (any relation to Minitru I wonder...). Apart from asking why there are still that many children in the war zone, don't the proportions seem a little suspect. Plus, earlier claims of 5000 dead turned out to be 25 or so...

Nobody can dispute that civilian casualties are far too high. However, the divide between Hamas and Palestinians should be kept very clear IMVHO. As should the difference between a war and a disinfection.

The only problem with distinguishing between Hamas and Palestinians is the deep integration they have. The entire Gazan education system indoctrinates kids into jew-hating killers.
And anyone who rejects Hamas idealogy????? Well you don't need much imagination there.

If there was a GE in Gaza I suspect Hamas would make Putin and Kim jealous of the turnout and the votes.

[malvolio]

The only problem with distinguishing between Hamas and Palestinians is the deep integration they have. The entire Gazan education system indoctrinates kids into jew-hating killers.
And anyone who rejects Hamas idealogy????? Well you don't need much imagination there.

If there was a GE in Gaza I suspect Hamas would make Putin and Kim jealous of the turnout and the votes.

OK, just to be clear, Hamas was elected by 49% or so of the voters in Gaza. Equally there are a lot of Palestinians in the Middle East who didn't vote for Hamas in 2006 and who don't live in Gaza. There is also a fairly respected National Authority who speak for all Palestinians and who supported Hamas's opponents in that election. The Gazan that remain in the north of the region are not there by accident, they have either been forced to stay there, are in hospitals and cannot be moved or have bought the Hamas line that the Israelis are out to kill all Gazans.

There are multiple and complex histories at play here, one of which is Iran supporting extremist Palestinians to destabilise Western governments. If it was as simple as "Destroy Israel", Hezbollah for one wouldn't be keeping out of the conflict. Don't let propaganda distort the actuality.

[BlueSharp]

OK, just to be clear, Hamas was elected by 49% or so of the voters in Gaza. Equally there are a lot of Palestinians in the Middle East who didn't vote for Hamas in 2006 and who don't live in Gaza. There is also a fairly respected National Authority who speak for all Palestinians and who supported Hamas's opponents in that election. The Gazan that remain in the north of the region are not there by accident, they have either been forced to stay there, are in hospitals and cannot be moved or have bought the Hamas line that the Israelis are out to kill all Gazans.

There are multiple and complex histories at play here, one of which is Iran supporting extremist Palestinians to destabilise Western governments. If it was as simple as "Destroy Israel", Hezbollah for one wouldn't be keeping out of the conflict. Don't let propaganda distort the actuality.

The US parking two carrier strike groups of the Lebanon coast and now an Ohio class sub off the coast of Iran probably have more to do with them sitting this one out.

[NotAllThere]

If Palestine exists then what are the fighting for?

The obliteration of Israel.

[vetran]

Probably not that many, in reality. There have ben Palestinians integrated into Israel for many years. Hamas is another question.

Most of the hysteria is based around the casualty figures that come out of Gaza. 9700 dead Palestinians of which 4800 are children for example according to the Gaza Ministry of Health (any relation to Minitru I wonder...). Apart from asking why there are still that many children in the war zone, don't the proportions seem a little suspect. Plus, earlier claims of 5000 dead turned out to be 25 or so...

Nobody can dispute that civilian casualties are far too high. However, the divide between Hamas and Palestinians should be kept very clear IMVHO. As should the difference between a war and a disinfection.

I think almost anyone would like peace there but until both sides want to come to the table and honour agreements it is doubtful.

The Israelis originally occupied the area in 1000 BCE, they were invaded by Muslims a few hundred years ago. Funny when we did that to Ireland or any of our colonies we were at fault and had to pay reparations.

The figures of children are very high at 50% of residents, they are breeding new Jihadist souls to replace the ones Hamas kill.

I was just watching this and he reminded me of the Israeli habit of knocking on the door before firing rockets. The Israelis phone and tell everyone to get out of a building that was the source of a rocket attack, the residents say we aren't leaving, so why not the Israelis say? "well it is better casualty figures for our cause." The Israelis then send a low-yield but visually and audibly noisy shell to "knock on the door" then wait 2-10 minutes and flatten the property completely. If as requested the civilians had vacated the building there would have been zero civilian casualties. Sound familiar?

As mentioned in the video if Israel were interested in genocide of the "Palestinian race" they are a bit rubbish at it.

Israeli "Occupation" of the Gaza Strip ceased in 2004.

The last elections in Gaza were in 2004 when they voted in a proscribed terrorist organisation. Strangely they haven't allowed the residents to vote again. Always a good sign of tyrants.

There does seem to be some history on this lack of truth so I invoke Godwin's law on Hamas.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Its time for our press to expose the lies and cut off the funds to Hamas/PLO etc.

[vetran]

Looks like the pre warning has worked

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...side-Gaza.html

Israel has told residents living in Gaza City they still have the opportunity to leave with an evacuation route to the south, but many are fearful of doing so due to the amount of IDF troops on the route.

Around 70 per cent of Gaza's 2.3million residents have fled their homes since the conflict began, with many now sleeping in tents, refugee camps or at the side of the road.

Now if only Egypt had opened its borders days ago and the UN had built some refugee camps in Egypt! Maybe we would get to 90%+

[WTFH]

Now if only Egypt had opened its borders days ago and the UN had built some refugee camps in Egypt! Maybe we would get to 90%+

And who filters/confirms that the people coming into the refugee camps are 100% peaceful civilians, and not terrorists masquerading as civilians?

Couldn't Israel build villages in the West Bank for the refugees?

[malvolio]

And who filters/confirms that the people coming into the refugee camps are 100% peaceful civilians, and not terrorists masquerading as civilians?

Most likely the same people giving out the casualty numbers...

Couldn't Israel build villages in the West Bank for the refugees?

Israel building anything in the West Bank is likely to cause trouble. The existing settlements are despised by the local Palestinians. they could park them in the Negev but there wouldn't be a hell of a lot for them to live on. And Egypt doesn't want a large number of disaffected refugees parked on their land either. LEbanon would be a more logical move.

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I doubt there's a country anywhere in the world that would happily take anyone from Gaza at this point. They will most likely have nowhere to return, even if they wanted to.