What's the end game for the current situation (most likely outcome)?
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The End Game
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The End Game
22Ukraine falls to Russia27.27%6A deal is struck, Russia pulls back, Ukraine must never join Nato or EU22.73%5Ukraine "wins", Russia retreats unconditionally4.55%1The conflict draws in NATO, escalates, WWIII, everyone dies31.82%7Something else involving someone's mum13.64%3The poll is expired.
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I suspect the first option is most likely, but would hope that a compromise could be reached which might be something close to your 2nd option…Maybe we ain’t that young anymore -
Some sort of partial occupation, more areas annexed? It sounds like it would be likely but Ukraine seems very keen to fight. It might be all or nothing, hard to agree to forget about your capital city being bombed, rather than some provinces being invaded. I can't see EU/NATO agreeing to ban any future Ukrainian membership, that would be capitulation.Originally posted by WTFH View PostI suspect the first option is most likely, but would hope that a compromise could be reached which might be something close to your 2nd optionOriginally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Can Russia live with the current sanctions, and possibly more, going on indefinitely?
Because that's what they'll be facing if they don't withdraw.
One way or another, Putin will need to get something out of this, otherwise he's going to lose a lot of public support for sacrificing the lives of many Russian soldiers and putting the economy in jeopardy.Scoots still says that Apr 2020 didn't mark the start of a new stock bull market.Comment
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I suppose "Putin forced out" is another option that should be considered - probably the only way for Russia to get out now they are so committed. I can't see Putin showing that weakness and I don't think sanctions will be lifted without Russia withdrawing. It's an 'easy' out to dispose the despot and then withdraw.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Putin will have to flatten Ukraine completely and exterminate all Ukrainians as it will turn into a Guerrilla war.
"You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Part occupation RU does not enter Lviv area. Polish and Baltic states troops enter Western Ukraine, Green line established."A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices," George OrwellComment
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Yes, that's what I suspectOriginally posted by d000hg View PostSome sort of partial occupation, more areas annexed?
No, I don't see that happening, V's option 2 consisted of 3 parts:Originally posted by d000hg View PostI can't see EU/NATO agreeing to ban any future Ukrainian membership, that would be capitulation.
1. A deal is struck - I hope so
2. Russia pulls back - Not sure
3. Ukraine must never join Nato or EU - Highly unlikely
Unfortunately the way the option was worded, it was done as all three together are the only single option available.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Then Kiev could end up looking like this (Grosny)Originally posted by SueEllen View PostPutin will have to flatten Ukraine completely and exterminate all Ukrainians as it will turn into a Guerrilla war.
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Are you thinking it could end up like East/West Germany?Originally posted by Paddy View PostPart occupation RU does not enter Lviv area. Polish and Baltic states troops enter Western Ukraine, Green line established.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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