[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[d000hg]

Oh OK Mr Irrelevant

Commenting on the content of your post is irrelevant? Well what does that tell us?

1890? Feck me it's the KJV FFS. Try 1611.

Probably he's using the 1769 version.

[Zigenare]

So your answer to a failed annexation of a non-NATO country is for NATO to invade Russia and assassinate its head of state. And that is a good idea how, exactly.

Put it another way; what would be Russia's and other similarly powerful countries' response if NATO did that.

Any such action would have to be via the United Nations, and at least three Security Council members would veto that immediately.

I think you need to stick to your war comics.

How has appeasement served the world in past conflicts?

Let me have your address and I'll have a truck load of white feathers sent over.

[Whorty]

I wouldn't say weak, I'd say extremely cautious.

It would be high stakes calling the bluff of a reckless dictator who's holding a massive arsenal of nukes.

I agree it's high stakes, but how far do you let him go before you stop him? Bullies don't stop on their own, they need to be stopped. How many more countries does he destroy, how many more thousands does he kill, before we get in his way? Lithuania? Moldova? Poland? Finland?

A no fly zone would have been risky but not directly entering the war ... Putin knows the west are scared of him so he is allowed to do whatever he likes with zero come back. That's not good.

[malvolio]

A no fly zone emphatically is "entering the war". As soon as any NATO aircraft try to enforce one, you can say goodbye to the forward air bases in all the adjoining NATO countries and the longer range ones such as those in the UK and Germany that fly the drones. I'm not sure that is worth the marginal gains in protecting Ukraine, where most of the attacks are from ground-based missiles out of Russian territory anyway.

You guys really need to study your global realpolitik.

[Zigenare]

A no fly zone emphatically is "entering the war". As soon as any NATO aircraft try to enforce one, you can say goodbye to the forward air bases in all the adjoining NATO countries and the longer range ones such as those in the UK and Germany that fly the drones. I'm not sure that is worth the marginal gains in protecting Ukraine, where most of the attacks are from ground-based missiles out of Russian territory anyway.

You guys really need to study your global realpolitik.

And you need to study your history - you cannot and should not appease a dictator, they are never satisfied.

Like it or not, we are already at war with Russia and Belarus.

[OwlHoot]

And you need to study your history - you cannot and should not appease a dictator, they are never satisfied.

Like it or not, we are already at war with Russia and Belarus.

FWIW, I agree with most of your posts Ziggy, but you're being a bit melodramatic now!

Yes, maybe you shouldn't appease a youngish dictator with armed forces growing into the millions.

But Putin is 70, and the Russian army is "only" 250,000 strong, of which a good proportion are probably conscripts.

[Zigenare]

FWIW, I agree with most of your posts Ziggy, but you're being a bit melodramatic now!

Yes, maybe you shouldn't appease a youngish dictator with armed forces growing into the millions.

But Putin is 70, and the Russian army is "only" 250,000 strong, of which a good proportion are probably conscripts.

And therefore has nothing to lose - we(the world) have a humanitarian disaster on our hands with millions of displaced people. There are women and children leaving their men to fight and not knowing if they'll see each other again or if they'll ever see their homeland. We are already impacted by the financial burden of this war and we need to do something more concrete to end it. Putin needs to be told that if he is mad enough to escalate to Nuclear then his country will be turned to glass.

[d000hg]

Putin won't be able to have his bedtime choccy milk now... surrender is only a matter of time.

Swiss food giant Nestle is pulling its popular brands, like KitKat and Nesquik, out of Russia.

The firm stopped investment in the country earlier this month and now it will only sell essential foods - infant food and medical and hospital nutrition.

[Gibbon]

Putin needs to be told that if he is mad enough to escalate to Nuclear then his country will be turned to glass.

My fear on that is he doesn't care, with him it's binary either he has a legacy OR no one does. (well not at least for a few hundred years)

The best option is an internal solution which if it results in a 'real' democracy could let us welcome them back.

[SueEllen]

Putin won't be able to have his bedtime choccy milk now... surrender is only a matter of time.

There needs to be more dead conscripts unfortunately.

Until the Russian population realise they are being lied to and the "special military operation" has caused the death of loved ones then he will just continue.