Audi E Tron Business Lease - time to go electric!

[vetran]

This poll is broken; there's no "I don't care, go wave your todger somewhere else" option.

hey whatever gets you through the day!

[Paddy]

Don't take his tinfoil hat away from him

United Nations: Developing countries pay environmental cost of electric car batteries

“Most consumers are only aware of the ‘clean’ aspects of electric vehicles,” says Pamela Coke-Hamilton, UNCTAD’s director of international trade. “The dirty aspects of the production process are out of sight.”

https://unctad.org/news/developing-c...-car-batteries

[dsc]

What's the BIK hit on smth like this? (Sorry I'm too lazy to look up BIK rates).

[eek]

What's the BIK hit on smth like this? (Sorry I'm too lazy to look up BIK rates).

1% for electric cars at the moment (why do you think people are doing it).

[Paddy]

I am looking to buy a two stoke Trabant, I will pay the ULEZ and drive around central London all day.

[tazdevil]

I am looking to buy a two stoke Trabant, I will pay the ULEZ and drive around central London all day.

I've travelled in a Trabant and all day driving isn't an option as they're not reliable enough and definitely not comfortable enough aside from being death traps

[WTFH]

So I've decided to go down the route of an eletric car for the BIK benefits, cheaper running costs as well as trying to be kinder to the environment.

Wondering if anybody has any recommendations on model or places to get the best lease deals?

This is the best I've found so far:

Audi Q4 40 S Line
Comfort & Sound Pack
20" Alloys
8k miles/year

£480/month with initial rental of £2,800

Seems like a reasonable deal but not sure whether it's worth going for the SUV model rather than Q4......

Are you based in the UK, or not?
Is the car going to be used by YOU for business, or a parent/guardian/family member?

[BlasterBates]

There's no doubt you save emissions with an electric car, but not by a huge amount.

https://www.zemo.org.uk/assets/worki...s%20report.pdf

Life cycle emissions from an electric car 19 tonnes of CO2
Life cycle emissions from a petrol car is 24 tonnes of CO2

The manufacture of a car emits huge amounts of CO2. Anything made of metal requires blast furnaces and once it's on the road a signifcant proportion of the electricity is from fossil fueled power stations.

At best you can delay global warming by a few days with electric cars. The main thing about electric cars is therapeutic, that you think you're doing something for the environment.

[d000hg]

A reduction of 20+% is quite substantial. Their report also mentions that emissions are greatly skewed to production (~50% of lifetime total) which is interesting. When they say emissions do they mean how much actually escapes, or how much is created?

It's somewhat misleading to use current figures though because it is based on where the electricity comes from today. We know electricity production is getting greener which means those figures will drop further... and of course any infrastructure changes to electricity production immediately affect all EVs on the roads, whereas improvements to petrol vehicles only come in when a new car replaces an old one.

This suggests lifetime EV emissions could end up ~50% of petrol.

[northernladuk]

A reduction of 20+% is quite substantial. Their report also mentions that emissions are greatly skewed to production (~50% of lifetime total) which is interesting. When they say emissions do they mean how much actually escapes, or how much is created?

It's somewhat misleading to use current figures though because it is based on where the electricity comes from today. We know electricity production is getting greener which means those figures will drop further... and of course any infrastructure changes to electricity production immediately affect all EVs on the roads, whereas improvements to petrol vehicles only come in when a new car replaces an old one.

This suggests lifetime EV emissions could end up ~50% of petrol.

The 20% isn't to be sniffed at to be fair and if the mainstay of the emissions are in production we can expect that that will reduce as new materials/methods evolve.

My fear is the environmental impact. There are current 31.5 million cars on the road in the UK alone. Putting some very rough milestones in there.. If the gov says no petrol cars from 2030 and another 10 for all the existing petrol ones to die off. That means in 2040 we have 31.5 million cars (disregarding growth!) in the UK alone with shiny new batteries. 10 years later we will have 31.5 million scrapped batteries. That's 19 million tons of battery to safely dispose of. That to me is a very frightening prospect. With the best will and legislation possible that can't be anything but a disaster looming surely?