[Merged]Brexit stuff

[NotAllThere]

Well, that's the only holiday UK residents will be able to afford. Those of us with foreign incomes, however...

Brexiters (Breg-zit-hers)

Noun

1. The pimply youth at school, now well into chubby middle age, who never managed to get off with the foreign exchange students at the school disco and has hated Europe ever since

FTFY - youths mostly voted to remain.

[WTFH]

It's all good news...
Less than one euro to the pound at many UK airports - BBC News

[DodgyAgent]

You are well aware I grew up in London so I went to school with children of EU citizens who never had British passports as they didn't need them. (Though I actually now know people brought up around the country who fit into that category.) British taxpayers paid for them to go to university and there have been more since 2000, this is why I'm asking what do you mean as "our own"? Do you mean those with British passports or simply those educated in the UK to degree level regardless of the passport they hold? It's not a trick question.

In regards to Eastern Europeans and those from the Med - the people I know have STEM degrees and there is a shortage in the EU of people with those qualifications. Therefore it isn't hard, if you want, to get a job elsewhere in the EEA. In fact the Polish and Hungarians I've worked with plus the Spanish and Greeks I know have all made it clear that if you do certain arty/social science subjects then you are going to have difficulty getting a decent/high paying job in their own country so they may as well go elsewhere in the EEA.

I mean British citizens.
You are waffling!
My point (and I repeat) is that very few graduate jobs that our children (who have left University) have EU applicants. The jobs that EU workers with University degrees are filling are low level retail jobs. Next time you are in Starbucks, Pret or anywhere with young EU staff serving you just ask them if they are University graduates. You will find just about every one of them is - and from a proper University too.

[Old Greg]

I mean British citizens.
You are waffling!

Goodness, that sounds serious.

My point (and I repeat) is that very few graduate jobs that our children (who have left University) have EU applicants.

Thanks for repeating the point.

[darmstadt]

Too many graduates, not enough jobs for them: https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...for-uk-economy

Over-qualification and skills mismatch in the graduate labour market - Policy Reports - CIPD

[BlasterBates]

I mean British citizens.
You are waffling!
My point (and I repeat) is that very few graduate jobs that our children (who have left University) have EU applicants. The jobs that EU workers with University degrees are filling are low level retail jobs. Next time you are in Starbucks, Pret or anywhere with young EU staff serving you just ask them if they are University graduates. You will find just about every one of them is - and from a proper University too.

At the lower level there are more far more jobs than available people. If you want to work in retail you will easily find a hob.

Let more immigrants into UK because Brits won't take our jobs, says Domino's Pizza boss | London Evening Standard

It’s not just us struggling with this problem finding labour,” Mr Batchelor said. “There are a huge number of jobs at the bottom end of the service industry, and not enough people in the UK who want to work for them

By barring Eastern Europeans all you will do is simply shrink the service industry.

Peter Hitchens visited Boston where Eastern Europeans come to work on the local farms. The reason is not because they're cheap, it's simply that the workers who used to come down from Sheffield had all retired. That's what happens when you have an aging population and 5% unemployment (i.e. more or less full employment).

[darmstadt]

By barring Eastern Europeans all you will do is simply shrink the service industry.

Peter Hitchens visited Boston where Eastern Europeans come to work on the local farms. The reason is not because they're cheap, it's simply that the workers who used to come down from Sheffield had all retired. That's what happens when you have an aging population and 5% unemployment (i.e. more or less full employment).

It’s not just us struggling with this problem finding labour,” Mr Batchelor said. “There are a huge number of jobs at the bottom end of the service industry, and not enough people in the UK who want to work for them

This is the thing, how many people on here would get up at 5 every morning and then spend a (possible) 8 hour shift ripping the guts out of chickens for minimum wage? I suspect no-one and then again no-one else wants to except the immigrant workers. When they go, who's going to do it?

[original PM]

At the lower level there are more far more jobs than available people. If you want to work in retail you will easily find a hob.

Let more immigrants into UK because Brits won't take our jobs, says Domino's Pizza boss | London Evening Standard



By barring Eastern Europeans all you will do is simply shrink the service industry.

Peter Hitchens visited Boston where Eastern Europeans come to work on the local farms. The reason is not because they're cheap, it's simply that the workers who used to come down from Sheffield had all retired. That's what happens when you have an aging population and 5% unemployment (i.e. more or less full employment).

They will not take them because the salary is so low.

This is the whole point of the argument that they can employ eu nationals on a lower wage then uk nationals would take mainly because those eu nationals can then send money home where it (was!) worth a lot more.

The point they need to put up the wages above NMW to get some workers...and I think the rather utopian idea is that then the companies absorb the increased cost and to not pass onto the customers...

[vetran]

They will not take them because the salary is so low.

This is the whole point of the argument that they can employ eu nationals on a lower wage then uk nationals would take mainly because those eu nationals can then send money home where it (was!) worth a lot more.

The point they need to put up the wages above NMW to get some workers...and I think the rather utopian idea is that then the companies absorb the increased cost and to not pass onto the customers...

strange dumbos like you & me can understand this simple concept but the far more intelligent, handsome & better in bed Bremainers can't.

If the salary is significantly below the benefits they can get why would anyone take them?

Mandleslime & co sent out search parties for cheap labour this was Bruin & Bliar's economic miracle.

[BlasterBates]

They will not take them because the salary is so low.

This is the whole point of the argument that they can employ eu nationals on a lower wage then uk nationals would take mainly because those eu nationals can then send money home where it (was!) worth a lot more.

The point they need to put up the wages above NMW to get some workers...and I think the rather utopian idea is that then the companies absorb the increased cost and to not pass onto the customers...

But there are positions which can't be filled. So that is not true.

If these service companies were simply taking on Eastern Europeans and rejecting UK workers because the Eastern Europeans were cheaper they would have filled up all there other open positions as well with some "more expensive" UK workers wouldn't they. You are arguing if they simply put up their wages then UK workers would come flocking. So why won't they simply do this ? according to your argument they could make more profit as they could expand their business.

In order to support your argument you need to explain why if these service companies can't fill all their positions.