[Merged]Brexit stuff

[SueEllen]

So you think that M&S, BP, Aviva, Goldman Sachs, IBM, ING, GE are receiving applications from Polish etc graduates that compete with our own graduates do you?

What do you mean by "our own"?

Not being obtuse but I know several people who were European citizens who did undergraduate and/or postgraduate degrees here, and then competed with British students to get jobs with large firms. I also know of British graduates with under- and postgraduate degrees who did it the other way round.

With European students especially in STEM subjects the British taxpayer pays for them.

Some of them have now gone home but others have stayed and settled down.

[stek]

You seem to think the Uk should have an open border with Ireland and you seem pretty intent on sneering at the concept of border control. So I am just checking whether you are nothing more than a protesting wailer or whether you have a serious argument.

UK does have an open border with Ireland.

[shaunbhoy]

You seem to think the Uk should have an open border with Ireland and you seem pretty intent on sneering at the concept of border control. So I am just checking whether you are nothing more than a protesting wailer or whether you have a serious argument.

You can always fast track your way to OG's "opinion" by doing a keyword search on today's Grauniad.

[vetran]

UK does have an open border with Ireland.

how long for if the Jungle moves to Dublin?

[shaunbhoy]

The "ready supply of desperate candidates from eastern europe and the indian sub-continent" are doing these important jobs.

Not MY job they aren't. Even if they had the technical skills and experience, they would never get the required security clearances.
But for someone like you busting your hump in Subway/Costa, your Barista skills will only get you so far. Maybe YOU should be the worried one?

[DodgyAgent]

What do you mean by "our own"?

Not being obtuse but I know several people who were European citizens who did undergraduate and/or postgraduate degrees here, and then competed with British students to get jobs with large firms. I also know of British graduates with under- and postgraduate degrees who did it the other way round.

With European students especially in STEM subjects the British taxpayer pays for them.

Some of them have now gone home but others have stayed and settled down.

I am sure you have anecdotes to support your weak point but the numbers of EU graduates coming to the UK to compete with our own graduates is miniscule. It is interesting that instead of accepting my point you trip around it by for example making some totally irrelevant comment about foreign students.
The vast majority of Eastern and Med graduates that come to the UK are working in low level customer facing jobs in retail. So our "own" youngsters who have not degrees who would normally do these jobs are pushed down the scale into cleaning and other manual jobs.
The only "office" job that these eastern europeans do funnily enough is recruitment where they are fantastic administrators and hard working resourcers. I could feel aggrieved at this but as I have quite a lot of them working for me I think I will remain quiet on this

[DodgyAgent]

how long for if the Jungle moves to Dublin?

[darmstadt]

Make what you will of the research:

Drawing on a survey of 1,000 employers, the report finds that organisations that employ EU migrant workers are more likely to report that their business has been growing over the last two years (51%) than organisations that don’t employ migrant workers (39%). This suggests that many employers, as they grow and expand their need particularly for lower skill jobs, may be relying more on migrant workers to fill vacancies.

Just as importantly, there is little evidence to suggest that employers are recruiting migrant workers because they are cheaper than UK born workers or because they require less training. Only a small proportion of employers (12%) said they recruited migrant workers because they have lower expectations about pay and employment conditions. In addition, the research finds that employers that recruit migrant workers are actually more likely to invest in work experience, internships and apprenticeships than employers that don’t recruit migrants.

The research also explored the impact of the increase in migrant workers over the last ten years on the UK labour market and in particular youth employment. This found that some younger workers are likely to have found it more difficult to find work since EU8 migrants (i.e. from the 2004 accession countries to the European Union) have had access to the UK labour market because EU8 migrants are typically older, more experienced and better qualified. Both groups are also disproportionately represented in low-skilled work.

However, the report points out that migration has only been one factor amongst many in relation to youth unemployment. Other drivers include an increase in the number of older workers, and welfare reforms which have increased the pool of working parents and former unemployment benefit claimants competing for roles against the backdrop of no employment growth in medium-skilled roles in recent years.

The report concludes that, given the guarantee of freedom of movement to EU migrants, policy makers concerned over the link between migration and youth unemployment should review skills policy and consider how to ensure young UK born workers can compete on a more level playing field not just with migrants but with all older workers.

http://www.cipd.co.uk/binaries/the-g...arket_2014.pdf

https://www.cipd.co.uk/binaries/labo...ummer-2016.pdf

[Old Greg]

Not MY job they aren't. Even if they had the technical skills and experience, they would never get the required security clearances.
But for someone like you busting your hump in Subway/Costa, your Barista skills will only get you so far. Maybe YOU should be the worried one?

We can see that you have plenty of experience as a useless fat drunk, but what are your technical skills?

[shaunbhoy]

but what are your technical skills?

Too complex for a witless dullard like you to fathom I'm afraid.