[Merged]Brexit stuff

[northernladyuk]

I have never pretended to be bright so humour me and eplain your point clearly

Bravo.

[GB9]

I have never pretended to be bright so humour me and eplain your point clearly

I'm not sure he has one but I wouldn't worry about it. Seems like a pleasant enough chap otherwise.

[scooterscot]

Need brain bleach to make this nightmare go away.

[GB9]

Very fair point. Indeed I think Maastricht was the point where the UK should have put it's foot down and got more in terms of 'Opt outs' from the EU, in return for not doing a veto on the Euro. The UK had a very strong hand then and I don't think Major played it to the max. However the basic fact still remains that there is a very high chance of major cost to the country from a 'Hard Brexit' and a 'Soft Brexit' may even be worse long term as it could keep us chained to the EU in many ways, without having any ability to influence/change their laws or direction of travel.

I don't disagree with you on that at all.

I think many Remnants still persist in the argument that we didn't understand the financial impact of Brexit whereas the reality is that we did. I saw one post mortem with a Remnant a few weeks ago that said Brexiters had accepted being slightly worse off than they might have been in return for independence. That's about it. My interest is being solely in charge of our own destiny. Not in doing what a majority of completely unrelated countries want. I don't see why we have to be tied together to do that.

As for rules and regs, we buy plenty of EU goods and a tariff on those won't help them, especially as their imports have already become more expensive due to currency appreciation. Even on the EU passporting side there are 5,500 UK based firms benefitting from passporting. There are over 8,000 EU firms that trade with us that benefit the other way. The situation we are in is that the federalists in the Commission are risking the millions of EU jobs for their ideology. It's no wonder they don't want us speaking directly to heads of state.

[GB9]

Need brain bleach to make this nightmare go away.

Won't a litre of Warsteiner do the trick?

[NotAllThere]

I have never pretended to be bright so humour me and eplain your point clearly

Given that the brains of your little group doesn't get it either, that's a tall order. But I'm always happy to educate, so let's try again.

It might be better for Britain to not be in the EU because of this corruption, but this is not a necessary and inevitable consequence of the EU containing corruption. Which is what your post implied.

To take an extreme example: if attempting to leave the EU resulted in the French exploding the nukes they hid in major UK cities 46 years ago, then clearly, the EU could be corrupt as **** and it would still probably be better to remain.

Now, your original post:

For some unfathomable reason this is the precious EU that the remainers want to protect. This is the EU that they think will deliver prosperity and peace to Europe

Not really unfathomable. Here it is "fathomed" for you. Many remainers are well aware of the issues within the EU, the corruption, the bureaucracy, the failed policies etc., yet still consider that, notwithstanding these things, Britain's interest's would have been better served by staying in.

You clearly disagree with the remainer view, and even over time it will be totally impossible to tell who is right. If Britain booms, the remainers will say the boom would have been bigger. If Britain collapses, brexiters will say that it would have been a more complete collapse if we'd stayed in the EU.

Let's hope Britain booms, regardless.

[vetran]

Given that the brains of your little group doesn't get it either, that's a tall order. But I'm always happy to educate, so let's try again.

It might be better for Britain to not be in the EU because of this corruption, but this is not a necessary and inevitable consequence of the EU containing corruption. Which is what your post implied.

To take an extreme example: if attempting to leave the EU resulted in the French exploding the nukes they hid in major UK cities 46 years ago, then clearly, the EU could be corrupt as **** and it would still probably be better to remain.

Now, your original post:


Not really unfathomable. Here it is "fathomed" for you. Many remainers are well aware of the issues within the EU, the corruption, the bureaucracy, the failed policies etc., yet still consider that, notwithstanding these things, Britain's interest's would have been better served by staying in.

You clearly disagree with the remainer view, and even over time it will be totally impossible to tell who is right. If Britain booms, the remainers will say the boom would have been bigger. If Britain collapses, brexiters will say that it would have been a more complete collapse if we'd stayed in the EU.

Let's hope Britain booms, regardless.

the French hid nukes Does the government know?

Oh its a remainer so its made up.

If Britain becomes more prosperous and the EU falls to pieces we will know who was right. Probably it won't be that dramatic but we shall see. Lets hope the Eumpire collapses peacefully.

[NotAllThere]

It was a hypothetical example. I'm not aware of the French planting nukes on us. But I wouldn't put it past them...

And how many made up things did Brexiters make. Pot, meet kettle.

[Flashman]

Meanwhile back in SASCretins EU paradise...

Portuguese economy hits new low
CATASTROPHIC Portuguese economy hits new low as toxic combination to BRING DOWN eurozone | City & Business | Finance | Daily Express

[Paddy]

If Britain becomes more prosperous and the EU falls to pieces we will know who was right. Probably it won't be that dramatic but we shall see. Lets hope the Eumpire collapses peacefully.

Unfortunately, I don’t think so. I well remember the 1960s, jumping through hoops doing business in the UK and with Europe. The UK had restrictions and tariffs on everything to protect their home market which was producing overpriced crap. Because of restrictive practices, it was even difficult to sell in the UK home market. The UK was relying on imposing our overpriced crap and three square pin plugs on the former British Empire.

Whatever ever happens in Brexit, it will cost us much more.