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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    No it doesn't it implies that there were enough votes in the winning camp to make intentions clear...
    Of those who voted. The question is whether the majority vote is representative of all people who were eligible to vote. At 52/48, I don't think it's knowable. At 70/30 it would be - and that would be a clear majority. Clear in the sense that there's no way of muddying the result by saying for example "those who didn't vote were in favour of..." or "those who voted in favour were lied to" or "those who voted against didn't understand the consequences" etc. etc.

    Similarly a "clear lead" in a race, means you are well ahead. Not just a few paces.

    If you have a narrow majority mandate for something, you have to take the large minority's sensibilities into account. If you have a clear majority, then you don't have to so much. If Brexit or Scottish independence had been 70/30, only the most die-hard opponents would be moaning.
    Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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      Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
      Of those who voted. The question is whether the majority vote is representative of all people who were eligible to vote. At 52/48, I don't think it's knowable. At 70/30 it would be - and that would be a clear majority. Clear in the sense that there's no way of muddying the result by saying for example "those who didn't vote were in favour of..." or "those who voted in favour were lied to" or "those who voted against didn't understand the consequences" etc. etc.

      Similarly a "clear lead" in a race, means you are well ahead. Not just a few paces.

      If you have a narrow majority mandate for something, you have to take the large minority's sensibilities into account. If you have a clear majority, then you don't have to so much. If Brexit or Scottish independence had been 70/30, only the most die-hard opponents would be moaning.
      wouldn't stop the bremoaners its like Scotland all over again.
      "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

      I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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        Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
        Are you sure of that?
        No, and I hope I'm wrong, but from most media coverage and my own observations (esp. in the old coalfield areas of West and South Yorkshire) I have the feeling I'm not. R4 were broadcasting interviews with people around Harlow yesterday morning; quite a few mentioned how for once their vote counted and that it felt good, they also predominately wanted immigration sorted.
        But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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          Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
          Of those who voted. The question is whether the majority vote is representative of all people who were eligible to vote. At 52/48, I don't think it's knowable. At 70/30 it would be - and that would be a clear majority. Clear in the sense that there's no way of muddying the result by saying for example "those who didn't vote were in favour of..." or "those who voted in favour were lied to" or "those who voted against didn't understand the consequences" etc. etc.

          Similarly a "clear lead" in a race, means you are well ahead. Not just a few paces.

          If you have a narrow majority mandate for something, you have to take the large minority's sensibilities into account. If you have a clear majority, then you don't have to so much. If Brexit or Scottish independence had been 70/30, only the most die-hard opponents would be moaning.
          But Brexit is binary as would have been Scottish Independence.

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            Originally posted by The_Equalizer View Post
            But Brexit is binary as would have been Scottish Independence.
            no really it was a bremoaner win as the poor brexiters didn't know what they were voting for.
            "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

            I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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              Originally posted by The_Equalizer View Post
              But Brexit is binary as would have been Scottish Independence.
              Originally posted by vetran View Post
              no really it was a bremoaner win as the poor brexiters didn't know what they were voting for.
              Brilliant.
              As it's clear to both of you what Brexit really means and what you were voting for, perhaps you could inform May, Johnson, Davies et.al. as they seem to be a little confused.
              Hard Brexit now!
              #prayfornodeal

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                Oh look Paddy Pantsdown has an opinion

                Fury after Lib Dem grandee Lord Ashdown compares Tory Brexiteers to Nazi ‘brownshirts’  | Daily Mail Online

                Fury after Lib Dem grandee Lord Ashdown compares Tory Brexiteers to Nazi ‘brownshirts’
                Former Lib Dem leader tweeted about the 'Tory Brexit brownshirts'
                Jibe drew complaints he was comparing those opposed to EU ties to Nazis
                Brownshirts was the name given to paramilitary wing of Hitler's movement
                But Lord Ashdown dismisses criticism insisting term was a 'metaphor'
                Liberal Democrat grandee Paddy Ashdown has sparked fury by comparing Tory Brexiteers to Nazi paramilitaries.

                The former party leader was condemned after he tweeted that 'Tory Brexit brownshirts are stirring'.
                "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                  Is the daily fail's problem that he didn't compare them to the blackshirts and cheer them on?
                  {emotionless greeting}

                  Three Word Slogan

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                    Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                    Is the daily fail's problem that he didn't compare them to the blackshirts and cheer them on?
                    probably
                    "If you didn't do anything that wasn't good for you it would be a very dull life. What are you gonna do? Everything that is pleasant in life is dangerous."

                    I want to see the hand of history on his collar.

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                      Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                      Brilliant.
                      As it's clear to both of you what Brexit really means and what you were voting for, perhaps you could inform May, Johnson, Davies et.al. as they seem to be a little confused.
                      Hello sasguru. Nope, all I was pointing out is you're either in or out. Bit like being married if you like.

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