[Merged]Brexit stuff

[DodgyAgent]

Anyway cutting through the verbiage, the bottom line is I want Britain to be severely damaged by a hard Brexit because being proved right is more important than anything else, since the economy won't survive the death by a thousand cuts that will follow.
I may be wrong of course, but as I've always planned for the worst, that is what my future financial planning will assume.

If there is no consensus or even common ground amongst a group of people of similar professions, culture, background and aspirations what chance has a group of 28 different countries got without the strength of a proper democratic system got? This "debate" shows nothing other than how people polarise themselves and defend their positions no matter what.

[scooterscot]

You're manufacturing a false dichotomy. There are degrees of skill. Fruit-picking is not unskilled, per se, simply a skill that is sufficiently generic for us to favour UK workers.

If moaning was a paid for skill the UK would pay off its debt by Friday.

[scooterscot]

As JB said we need to move to employing locals rather undercutting them with cheap labour that export their wages.

Well look no further than OUR own government. In the pockets of big business. They're a massive part of the problem.

[vetran]

Well look no further than OUR own government. In the pockets of big business. They're a massive part of the problem.

Indeed, so Brexit might be the catalyst we need.

[sirja]

If there is no consensus or even common ground amongst a group of people of similar professions, culture, background and aspirations what chance has a group of 28 different countries got without the strength of a proper democratic system got? This "debate" shows nothing other than how people polarise themselves and defend their positions no matter what.

Indeed. People like you who call others 'Brit hatters' simply because they don't agree with your point of view.

[DodgyAgent]

Indeed. People like you who call others 'Brit hatters' simply because they don't agree with your point of view.

I use it quite deliberately to test where they are coming from as the arguments themselves are so absent of logic, context or balance.

[sasguru]

so your point was as usual ill thought out & irrational.

As JB said we need to move to employing locals rather undercutting them with cheap labour that export their wages.

No you're the one being irrational.
Basically you have no evidence for your prejudices.

All the evidence suggests that EU immigrants DON'T CUT the wages of natives:
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/resea...015/swp574.pdf

[sasguru]

I use it quite deliberately to test where they are coming from as the arguments themselves are so absent of logic, context or balance.

So you think that economic chaos after hard Brexit isn't a possibility?

[sasguru]

Indeed, so Brexit might be the catalyst we need.

Yes the catalyst for multinationals to move elsewhere.

[DodgyAgent]

So you think that economic chaos after hard Brexit isn't a possibility?

Of course it is a possibility