[Merged]Brexit stuff

[sasguru]

probably how would multinationals be able to cope without evading tax by using EU loopholes or using cheap labour in Eastern Europe?

I love your Joycean stream of consciousness, but it's a little hard to make out what your point is.
Anyway I'm guessing that you think the positive effects of Brexit, if any, will be greater than the negative, if any.
That's your opinion, based on a good weighing up of the evidence, I hope, rather than wishful thinking.
Good luck.

[The Spartan]

If the UK doesn't prosper it may mean we end up buying less from the EU, which would then pose problems for those countries that export quite a lot to us.

So wish as you may that Brexit will have negative consequences but given that the world is in midst of a global slowdown it won't bode well for other economies other than our own.

[sasguru]

If the UK doesn't prosper it may mean we end up buying less from the EU, which would then pose problems for those countries that export quite a lot to us.
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Well, Germany is the one most affected, but given the volume of their twin surpluses, as opposed to our twin deficits, I think they'll survive.

[jamesbrown]

Whoosh!
My point was a hypothetical one, namely, that native workers aren't going to flock to jobs currently done by immigrants if the immigrants disappeared overnight.
I wasn't suggesting that was a valid, desirable or even Brexit-wanted proposition.

My mistake, I'd credited you with being obnoxious rather than a champion of the obvious All of the jobs currently occupied by immigrants from elsewhere in the EU would not be populated by native workers overnight. Quite right. However, that leaves the small matter of controlled immigration, which lies somewhere between your hypothetical scenario and reality. I'm curious as to whether you think the current situation happens to be ideal or whether you'd prefer that we retain free movement and also relaxed non-EU immigration. What's the balance you're seeking? Do you want the status quo or something else?

[The Spartan]

Well, Germany is the one most affected, but given the volume of their twin surpluses, as opposed to our twin deficits, I think they'll survive.

Great they can use that money to prop up the other countries in the EU then

[sasguru]

My mistake, I'd credited you with being obnoxious rather than a champion of the obvious All of the jobs currently occupied by immigrants from elsewhere in the EU would not be populated by native workers overnight. Quite right. However, that leaves the small matter of controlled immigration, which lies somewhere between your hypothetical scenario and reality. I'm curious as to whether you think the current situation happens to be ideal or whether you'd prefer that we retain free movement and also relaxed non-EU immigration. What's the balance you're seeking? Do you want the status quo or something else?

It doesn't really matter what I think does it?
What's done is done and the consequences will have to lived with.
But it does seem to me that controlling non-EU migration has been a real failure.
And if that can't be done why do you think EU migration will be controlled any better?

[vetran]

I love your Joycean stream of consciousness, but it's a little hard to make out what your point is.

That would be because you is fick!

[sasguru]

That would be because you is fick!

And you're a genius, so you and yours will have nothing to worry about if there's a post Brexit slump.

[jamesbrown]

It doesn't really matter what I think does it?
What's done is done and the consequences will have to lived with.
But it does seem to me that controlling non-EU migration has been a real failure.
And if that can't be done why do you think EU migration will be controlled any better?

Well, it sort of does, if we're going to bother arguing about it

In what terms has the control of non-EU immigration been a "real failure"? There's no benchmark for non-EU immigration, only an implausible "goal/objective/aim/desire/wish/hope" for total net immigration in the tens of thousands, which most commentators agree is ridiculous. The starting point should be an immigration system that is based on need, and one that is fair to EU and non-EU immigrants alike. As I've observed, we have roughly equivalent immigration from within the EU and from outside, yet the EU comprises less than 7% of the global population. So, as a starting point, let's control EU immigration, as that's going to be relatively straightforward when adopting similar terms to non-EU immigration. Again, I'm not suggesting we do this overnight.

[darmstadt]

Well, it sort of does, if we're going to bother arguing about it

In what terms has the control of non-EU immigration been a "real failure"? There's no benchmark for non-EU immigration, only an implausible "goal/objective/aim/desire/wish/hope" for total net immigration in the tens of thousands, which most commentators agree is ridiculous. The starting point should be an immigration system that is based on need, and one that is fair to EU and non-EU immigrants alike. As I've observed, we have roughly equivalent immigration from within the EU and from outside, yet the EU comprises less than 7% of the global population. So, as a starting point, let's control EU immigration, as that's going to be relatively straightforward when adopting similar terms to non-EU immigration. Again, I'm not suggesting we do this overnight.

Interesting that all Brexit threads/conversations always come down to one subject in the end...foreigners. Makes one think doesn't it?