[Merged]Brexit stuff

[GB9]

Exactly MEP's were outvoted, that's democracy.

You can't claim the EU isn't democratic as it has a parliament and the parliament approve appointment and can sack the commision at will, in the same way MP's can sack their appointee ministers, who incidentally don't need to be democratically elected MP's.

I think we've done this before.......

You can call it democratic providing you don't mind 27 other countries having a say over what we want in the UK. As far as I am aware we have never voted to allow that to happen. It's been foisted on us over a period of years. Now we have finally had a say it turns out the majority don't want other countries to have the final say over our laws.

I also suspect that of those that voted remain, most aren't even aware that the other countries in the EU can completely out vote us and we then have to do what they say. I suspect if they were made aware then a large percentage would also have voted leave.

[GB9]

Remainers are saved.

[stek]

I think we've done this before.......

You can call it democratic providing you don't mind 27 other countries having a say over what we want in the UK. As far as I am aware we have never voted to allow that to happen. It's been foisted on us over a period of years. Now we have finally had a say it turns out the majority don't want other countries to have the final say over our laws.

I also suspect that of those that voted remain, most aren't even aware that the other countries in the EU can completely out vote us and we then have to do what they say. I suspect if they were made aware then a large percentage would also have voted leave.

This is limited thinking at it's best (worst?)

The concept of Nationhood is divisive, is there any reason it should continue? It's had it's day, the Peace of Westfalia established it and it was probably right for the times, it's not now, why align to Country/State? It doesn't make sense anymore, just like prior to the Peace aligning to Monarch didn't make any sense.

I couldn't give a toss whether I'm English, British, EU or Danish, what does it matter? Brexiting is going backwards in my view, and it's obvious the UK will be left behind, anyone who lives or works outside the UK knows it, and the UK is a world-wide laughing stock.

[shaunbhoy]

I couldn't give a toss whether I'm English, British, EU or Danish, what does it matter?

I suppose it doesn't really matter if you have no interest in having any sort of control, however slight, over those you elect to govern you.
I suppose that is why those who are followers rather than leaders chose to opt for Remain.
Thankfully, as the Referendum showed, the majority of people in this country that bothered to vote have shown themselves to be leaders and not followers.
I'd suggest you just quietly follow whatever direction we now head in as you are probably more comfortable being led by the nose anyway.

HTH BIDI

[stek]

I suppose it doesn't really matter if you have no interest in having any sort of control, however slight, over those you elect to govern you.
I suppose that is why those who are followers rather than leaders chose to opt for Remain.
Thankfully, as the Referendum showed, the majority of people in this country that bothered to vote have shown themselves to be leaders and not followers.
I'd suggest you just quietly follow whatever direction we now head in as you are probably more comfortable being led by the nose anyway.

HTH BIDI

Don't want to be rude so I edited!

[scooterscot]

I suppose it doesn't really matter if you have no interest in having any sort of control, however slight, over those you elect to govern you.
I suppose that is why those who are followers rather than leaders chose to opt for Remain.
Thankfully, as the Referendum showed, the majority of people in this country that bothered to vote have shown themselves to be leaders and not followers.

For too many voters the referendum was an opportunity to protest at the UK establishment. The morning after it was clear a number of folks would have voted differently had they thought there was a real chance of exit.

I take pride in knowing I'm European. Especially when I see what's happening elsewhere in the world. For many Europeans Europe is the EU.

[GB9]

This is limited thinking at it's best (worst?)

The concept of Nationhood is divisive, is there any reason it should continue? It's had it's day, the Peace of Westfalia established it and it was probably right for the times, it's not now, why align to Country/State? It doesn't make sense anymore, just like prior to the Peace aligning to Monarch didn't make any sense.

I couldn't give a toss whether I'm English, British, EU or Danish, what does it matter? Brexiting is going backwards in my view, and it's obvious the UK will be left behind, anyone who lives or works outside the UK knows it, and the UK is a world-wide laughing stock.

I would have said it's more obvious that the EU will implode.

I care whether or not I can directly vote to elect or unelect my law makers. Nations have seriously different attitudes and priorities. The UK is broadly conservative. The EU is broadly socialist. It's not just calling yourself British or European. It's about what politics you want to govern your life.

The UK is gradually devolving and handing power back to the regions. To be pulled together with other countries is contradictory.

Ask Scooter and his mate Nicola. They seem to care about being Scottish rather than British.

Brexiting is removing ourselves from the imploding mess that is the EU. Most people with a brain can see it's failing. Many believe it will end in war. The Commission's response is not to discuss the issues but to clamp down and ensure nobody has a chance to dissent. It is the Empire and we are a damn sight better off out of it.

[GB9]

For too many voters the referendum was an opportunity to protest at the UK establishment. The morning after it was clear a number of folks would have voted differently had they thought there was a real chance of exit.

I take pride in knowing I'm European. Especially when I see what's happening elsewhere in the world. For many Europeans Europe is the EU.

And you have proved my point.

There is nothing to be proud about in calling yourself European.

The EU is a socialist corruption very similar to FIFA. Sooner or later it will be found out.

[BlasterBates]

Remainers are saved.

According to Peter Hitchens, an ardent supporter of Brexit it will be May who will ensure Britain remains in the EU

We have every reason to hope for a so-called ‘hard Brexit’ and to want one. But both of us fear that the practicalities are insurmountable. If that is so, aiming for such a target can only end in tears, and worse, the ultimate blocking of our true departure.

Do some in the government actually *hope* it will go wrong? Do they think they can wing it? Are they just naive? Do they imagine ( as David Cameron did) that our EU ‘partners’ will rescue us? Or is Chairman May hoping that the difficulties will allow her to propose a permanent compromise, under which we more or less remain in the EU in all but name (the most likely outcome in my view).

[shaunbhoy]

The morning after it was clear a number of folks would have voted differently had they thought there was a real chance of exit.

And as time went on, it became even clearer that a much more significant number of those who voted Remain because they feared the doomsday rhetoric of the desperate Remainer hierarchy would have voted Brexit, once they began to realise it was nothing but scaremongering on an industrial scale.