State of the Market

[SussexSeagull]

But when there are loads of experienced UK contractors all on the bench and for lengthy spells, and the indian consultancies are loaded up with work, cleaning up on the contracts that historically would have been serviced by UK contractors, you have to ask the question don't you?

It's globalisation and the way business has worked since the Industrial Revolution. If you look back through history the UK, and the wider west, were market leaders in various industries then what we now call the developing world comes along and slowly become the main suppliers and producers.

I do think we went over the top with IT (and apparently wider STEM) visas in the last couple of decades and now we have an oversaturated market but it is really difficult for the government to stop companies off shoring services, especially as most large companies are basically international concerns now and don't really have an allegiance to the UK.

I don't need to think. It is business trying to reduce expenses and increase profits.

[oliverson]

Blaming an economic downturn on minorities has historically not worked out well.

But when there are loads of experienced UK contractors all on the bench and for lengthy spells, and the indian consultancies are loaded up with work, cleaning up on the contracts that historically would have been serviced by UK contractors, you have to ask the question don't you?

[SussexSeagull]

Blaming an economic downturn on minorities has historically not worked out well.

[oliverson]

So are you expert genealogist as well? What you describe is sampling rate of 2 over 2 decades. Have you heard of a person being a Russian Jew, German Prussian Pole, or maybe learnt about Naming Tradition culture in different parts of the world? Maybe read up on the Spanish tradition of naming children for instance. The issue was your perception of "whiteness" I thought, but then you observe the names of people in the Leed's Home Office and then jump to a connection /relationship of the "foreign" sounding names. What were these family names then? [ Aman, Benetez, Botun, Califlor, Gipchalet, Patel, Rao, Sanchez, Tangasolusagthan, Vasudev, Zendan ] over [ Abbot, Archer, Benson, Gray, King, Johnstone, Robson, Spencer, Simpon, Tailor, Williams, Watkins ]

It sounds to me like a case of gentrification has happened in Leeds, and perhaps the salaries for the civil service has been stagnant for the last 20 odd years, which means the original people that you loved / worked with, moved out from the inner city donkey's years ago. The local government civil service has therefore to find replacements, hard working employees (and low 8$$ sucker contractors) who were prepare to commute and do the work. What do you prefer then fella? Harry Kane or Eberechi Eze

I don't know, I admit I never lived or worked in Leeds. I had a holiday fling with a girl from Leeds decades ago and I think I visited for a brief interview for some mad banking contract consultancy 15 years ago. Never got it, I think it was called ABGI consulting, BAGI, SGI or something.

Probably BJSS.

[TheDude]

Well I have seen one Black IT Director (Deutsche Bank 2001) and one Black Head of Engineering (Digital agency 2013) in a British company in my 27 year IT largely software engineering career to date.

If you look at the leadership team portfolios of most consultancies, small to mid-level businesses, then you can tell me, if there has been progress. Even when you look at IT conferences where professionals are speaking, I don't see change: same old faces like Talking Heads (Same as it ever was). I admit this evidence is anecdotal as in common sense.

Black people are under represented in IT. Asians are not so I don't think discrimination is the issue.

[sadkingbilly]

Oh dear, dear what word salad is this?!

This is hilarious I ever needed a good laugh, voila I have found it....

Gave up reading as it is nonsense, have you been on the gin or something, it isn't quote wine/beer o'clock yet.

Think you've lost your last brain cell seeing this and you need an urgent intervention.

Anyone writing a novel as a side hustle while looking for the elusive IT role please take note and take a screenshot of this as it is truly comedy gold...

Best laugh I've ever had on a forum.

typical little Engerlander krap.
you and Ollie should get a room, or something, preferably far, far, away

[Cookielove]

So are you expert genealogist as well? What you describe is sampling rate of 2 over 20 decades. Have you heard of a person being a Russian Jew, German Prussian Pole, or maybe learnt about Naming Tradition culture in different parts of the world? Maybe read up on the Spanish tradition of naming children for instance. The issue was your perception of "whiteness" I thought, but then you observe the names of people in the Leed's Home Office and then jump to a connection /relationship of the "foreign" sounding names. What were these family names then? [ Aman, Benetez, Botun, Califlor, Gipchalet, Patel, Rao, Sanchez, Tangasolusagthan, Vasudev, Zendan ] over [ Abbot, Archer, Benson, Gray, King, Johnstone, Robson, Spencer, Simpon, Tailor, Williams, Watkins ]

It sounds to me like a case of gentrification has happened in Leeds, and perhaps the salaries for the civil service has been stagnant for the last 20 odd years, which means the original people that you loved / worked with, moved out from the inner city donkey's years ago. The local government civil service has therefore to find replacements, hard working employees (and low 8$$ sucker contractors) who were prepare to commute and do the work. What do you prefer then fella? Harry Kane or Eberechi Eze

I don't know, I admit I never lived or worked in Leeds. I had a holiday fling with a girl from Leeds decades ago and I think I visited for a brief interview for some mad banking contract consultancy 15 years ago. Never got it, I think it was called ABGI consulting, BAGI, SGI or something.

Oh dear, dear what word salad is this?!

This is hilarious I ever needed a good laugh, voila I have found it....

Gave up reading as it is nonsense, have you been on the gin or something, it isn't quote wine/beer o'clock yet.

Think you've lost your last brain cell seeing this and you need an urgent intervention.

Anyone writing a novel as a side hustle while looking for the elusive IT role please take note and take a screenshot of this as it is truly comedy gold...

Best laugh I've ever had on a forum.

[rocktronAMP]

Exactly fiisch !
As rocktronAMP was banging on about anecdotal and saying it is "common sense" here is one for him:

Can't quote the names as these are real life people. in my most recent job I had dealings with the Home Office and all names bar one were Middle eastern/muslim, African/Indian. It was an eye opener, so you are talking tosh. It was a case of spot the white person you would not think this was a UK office, it felt surreal as I had actually worked at the Home Office two decades ago and the change is phenomenal I was shocked, really shocked at the speed of replacement.

So are you expert genealogist as well? What you describe is sampling rate of 2 over 2 decades. Have you heard of a person being a Russian Jew, German Prussian Pole, or maybe learnt about Naming Tradition culture in different parts of the world? Maybe read up on the Spanish tradition of naming children for instance. The issue was your perception of "whiteness" I thought, but then you observe the names of people in the Leed's Home Office and then jump to a connection /relationship of the "foreign" sounding names. What were these family names then? [ Aman, Benetez, Botun, Califlor, Gipchalet, Patel, Rao, Sanchez, Tangasolusagthan, Vasudev, Zendan ] over [ Abbot, Archer, Benson, Gray, King, Johnstone, Robson, Spencer, Simpon, Tailor, Williams, Watkins ]

It sounds to me like a case of gentrification has happened in Leeds, and perhaps the salaries for the civil service has been stagnant for the last 20 odd years, which means the original people that you loved / worked with, moved out from the inner city donkey's years ago. The local government civil service has therefore to find replacements, hard working employees (and low 8$$ sucker contractors) who were prepare to commute and do the work. What do you prefer then fella? Harry Kane or Eberechi Eze

I don't know, I admit I never lived or worked in Leeds. I had a holiday fling with a girl from Leeds decades ago and I think I visited for a brief interview for some mad banking contract consultancy 15 years ago. Never got it, I think it was called ABGI consulting, BAGI, SGI or something.

[malvolio]

For about 18 months of that I was waiting for an hernia operation

I have my laptop on permanantly on the job boards / Linkedin (not helpful sometimes)

Most the time I have the Youtube / Twitch

I dont drive so delivery / Uber is out, tried to apply to Tesco but probably too old !!

Dunno about too old, but B&Q have a policy of employing us old coffin dodgers in their stores in preference to callow youths...

[AndyGarbs]

For about 18 months of that I was waiting for an hernia operation

I have my laptop on permanantly on the job boards / Linkedin (not helpful sometimes)

Most the time I have the Youtube / Twitch

I dont drive so delivery / Uber is out, tried to apply to Tesco but probably too old !!