State of the Market

[malvolio]

I'm not crying.

Nor should you. We use the skills we have to their best effect. obviously. On occasion I'm tempted to dig out my old ANSI 74 COBOL skills and see how I get on*!

Just acknowledge that all the other skills are no less critical. We're all here to service the business, after all.


Nice challengefor us oldies. Write a COBOL subroutine to test for leap years up to year 9999. You can't use a DIVIDE statement. Or a number 4...

[sadkingbilly]

Yeah, best part of a hundred tears later and the coders and techies still think they are the key people in IT...

I'm not crying.

[sadkingbilly]

Infra PM here, done many a DC relocation that would have been carnage left to Techs.

got wrong techs then, or windoze DCs

[Cookielove]

You are right that it's hard to stop companies offshoring. You can make them pay more tax but then they will just up sticks and move to a different country. However, successive governments could have stopped giving out visa's quite easily and then the real kick in the teeth is this ridiculous agreement with India that Indian workers pay no NI. This is totally unforgiveable to me and the more I think about it the more mad it makes me.

Yep 100% this, they could have stopped the Visas but the Indian workers NI is another kicker no wonder people are pissed off.

[malvolio]

Infra PM here, done many a DC relocation that would have been carnage left to Techs.

Yeah, best part of a hundred tears later and the coders and techies still think they are the key people in IT...

[fatJock]

Powerpoint Monkeys(PMs) and Bullsh1t Artists(BAs) are a waste of time anyway.

Infra PM here, done many a DC relocation that would have been carnage left to Techs.

[sadkingbilly]

- how do you envisage projects being delivered without PM's and BA's. By magical unicorns?

might be better, at that

[avonleigh]

Powerpoint Monkeys(PMs) and Bullsh1t Artists(BAs) are a waste of time anyway.

<sigh> - how do you envisage projects being delivered without PM's and BA's. By magical unicorns?

[sadkingbilly]

Powerpoint Monkeys(PMs) and Bullsh1t Artists(BAs) are a waste of time anyway.

[avonleigh]

It's globalisation and the way business has worked since the Industrial Revolution. If you look back through history the UK, and the wider west, were market leaders in various industries then what we now call the developing world comes along and slowly become the main suppliers and producers.

I do think we went over the top with IT (and apparently wider STEM) visas in the last couple of decades and now we have an oversaturated market but it is really difficult for the government to stop companies off shoring services, especially as most large companies are basically international concerns now and don't really have an allegiance to the UK.

I don't need to think. It is business trying to reduce expenses and increase profits.

You are right that it's hard to stop companies offshoring. You can make them pay more tax but then they will just up sticks and move to a different country. However, successive governments could have stopped giving out visa's quite easily and then the real kick in the teeth is this ridiculous agreement with India that Indian workers pay no NI. This is totally unforgiveable to me and the more I think about it the more mad it makes me.