State of the Market

[Cookielove]

avonleigh yep agree, it is not just outsourcing it is the sheer numbers of people granted visas the numbers are huge so that is a big part of it.

Tories are talking about backdating changes and looking at arrivals since 2020/21 or thereabouts and extending ILR and citizenship to 15 years...along those lines...not sure what that they can do about the vast numbers already who have been given ILR....too little too late this needed to have been thought through decades ago ! But it suits agenda of govt to import cheap labour and screw over their own citizens...in this case it has gone too far and crippled it for us...it has never been this bad before.

This visas plus offshoring/outsourcing has killed it for us...

[Manic]

On the plus side, HMG have just notified that BPSS can not be attained by an offshore person. We are currently looking at the implications of this. Could be fun.

[Bluenose]

On the plus side, HMG have just notified that BPSS can not be attained by an offshore person. We are currently looking at the implications of this. Could be fun.

Offshore and Nearshore have been used in this thread. Do you mean BPSS clearances for people located in a non-EU country or everyone who is not physically located in the UK+NI ?

[Manic]

Offshore and Nearshore have been used in this thread. Do you mean BPSS clearances for people located in a non-EU country or everyone who is not physically located in the UK+NI ?

The latter

[dsc]

On the plus side, HMG have just notified that BPSS can not be attained by an offshore person. We are currently looking at the implications of this. Could be fun.

Wasn't it always similar to SC, where you cannot be outside the UK when doing work, so even if you get it in the UK, but leave, that's it? Was it different in the past, or are they now trying to make it work somehow?

[dsc]

[...]
The trick to survive, if you are only average is to get into a growing company (do your research), accept an average permie salary plus share options and be happy.

Some average people will get promoted into non-average jobs, even if average and go on to earn tons of salary.

The share options will either allow you to retire or you will spend the rest of your life working in a corporate environment doing an average job, which aint a bad life.
[...]

Very much this, I always found the UK odd in the sense that there was huge amounts of very average contractors easily landing contracts as there wasn't enough people on the market. Seems like the this era has come to an end, some probably managed to save themselves when IR35 were being changed and they went internal, others walked and most likely are benched now. With the current economic climate in the UK I can't see things changing much, cost saving is the hype now and might be for the next few years.

[Manic]

Wasn't it always similar to SC, where you cannot be outside the UK when doing work, so even if you get it in the UK, but leave, that's it? Was it different in the past, or are they now trying to make it work somehow?

No you used to be able to get Basic (BPSS) outside the UK and therefore work on some Govt work. We have been told HMG have tightened the rules and as a result all non resident BPSS clearances will be revoked by our security vetting team. We were informed this week.

[dsc]

[...]I have never seen a collapse of contracting this bad, for this long, in 25yrs. There are others that agree with me.[...]

You do realise it might be a permanent shift and contracting is done for good or for the next 5-10years at least?

[SchumiStars]

You do realise it might be a permanent shift and contracting is done for good or for the next 5-10years at least?

I agree with you. Unless we have a massive tech spike I..e IPhone requirement or .Net Boom we are going to be posting on this site for another 12mths.

As I said previously, companies are not struggling. They may not be growth but are saving tulip loads on rent, IT, off-shore, on-shore and every other shore.

The expenditure in IT was a cost which they have removed, putting it bluntly. They just stop spending on projects which is what contracting is essentially.

I also fear it will get worse as more projects complete and more IT personal find themselves loose. No idea what the immigrated people will find themselves doing.

[dsc]

No you used to be able to get Basic (BPSS) outside the UK and therefore work on some Govt work. We have been told HMG have tightened the rules and as a result all non resident BPSS clearances will be revoked by our security vetting team. We were informed this week.

Wow this might actually be very interesting, basically means all bods need to be inside the UK, so any offshoring is practically finished.