Reply to: Stop sending CV's, you're not a permie.

[NotAllThere]

I'm sure you had a point?

Notice at the bottom of the ad, there's the name of the recruiter. You call that person, get their RFP from their client then craft your strategy for getting in front of the client. Sometimes that's a CV, for me it's often not.

Yes, yes. You're a special snowflake. Lucky you.

Thread closed.

[sadkingbilly]

So, like a lot of other people in this thread, you aren't offering me any advice which is going to realistically alter my prospects. You just keep arrogantly repeating the same point, as if you've some magical knowledge we don't.

and his cat's got bigger bollox than anyone else's

[vwdan]

I'm sure you had a point?

Notice at the bottom of the ad, there's the name of the recruiter. You call that person, get their RFP from their client then craft your strategy for getting in front of the client. Sometimes that's a CV, for me it's often not.

I think the point is that, realistically, most recruiters have a vague job spec at best - are themselves just a cog in the preferred supplier wheel, and don't have time to faff about with contractors that won't follow the process.

As has been said to you a million times now, if your world is special and different and you can get away with, well done you and I implore you to keep doing what works. But I've recruited on behalf of clients for both permies and contractors, and I can tell you now, they wanted CV's through the normal process. Promises of powerpoints and presentations, requests for RFP's beyond our already public job spec would have been met with bemusement and some laughs.

But, of course, it seems you operate on a much higher plane to the rest of us so well done, keep up the good work.

Personally I've had more than enough success by submitting CV's, more often and not having being proactively approached by the recruiter or customer, and if I can get through that stage then my conversion rate is as near to 100% as damnit (I didn't get the job twice - once when I got bored of a stupid interview, the second time they rejected me and then came back to me later).

So, like a lot of other people in this thread, you aren't offering me any advice which is going to realistically alter my prospects. You just keep arrogantly repeating the same point, as if you've some magical knowledge we don't.

[DrewG]

Just a reminder that this guy posts about job ads on guess what ..... Jobserve

https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...ml#post2977164

I'm sure you had a point?

Notice at the bottom of the ad, there's the name of the recruiter. You call that person, get their RFP from their client then craft your strategy for getting in front of the client. Sometimes that's a CV, for me it's often not.

[Eirikur]

Just a reminder that this guy posts about job ads on guess what ..... Jobserve

https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...ml#post2977164

[d000hg]

Folk here are out of contract because of a shortage of contracts, not because there is a deficiency in the way we are applying for them.

The really good people are rarely out of contract, it must be said.

[northernladuk]

You seem to think the way you do it is the only way.

I think you need to take a moment of self reflection.

[DrewG]

Folk here are out of contract because of a shortage of contracts, not because there is a deficiency in the way we are applying for them.

Folk are losing money because the stock market is down, not because they don't understand a bear market requires different tactics.

A down market explains some losses, not all of them. One guy on here said he blasted dozens of CVs into Jobserve....

[GJABS]

You seem to think the way you do it is the only way. There are plenty of contractors here out of contract and you can't even consider that maybe there is more than one approach, something different to the old send a CV and pray method that has worked so well for you.

Folk here are out of contract because of a shortage of contracts, not because there is a deficiency in the way we are applying for them.

[DrewG]

15 years contracting on top rates and I don't know. I must be an amateur.

Thing is, you are lording it over us that we don't understand what you do. Most of us don't need to yet you are rambling on clearly not understand that.

Getting very tedious now I must say. You spout some bulltulip that none of us recognise yet have thousands of years of successful contracting between us but yours is the only way and everone else is an amatuer.

Just plain trolling now.

You seem to think the way you do it is the only way. There are plenty of contractors here out of contract and you can't even consider that maybe there is more than one approach, something different to the old send a CV and pray method that has worked so well for you.

[northernladuk]

Do you even know what a discovery process looks like? I get laughed at on here but it really is total amateur hour amongst you bull market contractors.

15 years contracting on top rates and I don't know. I must be an amateur.

Thing is, you are lording it over us that we don't understand what you do. Most of us don't need to yet you are rambling on clearly not understand that.

Getting very tedious now I must say. You spout some bulltulip that none of us recognise yet have thousands of years of successful contracting between us but yours is the only way and everone else is an amatuer.

Just plain trolling now.

[GregRickshaw]

I agree with your approach if you are a consultant presenting/answering a tender/bid, I suspect that's more pre-sales though. and having been sent there by your own consulting company. Then a presentation on how the consulting company, you represent, will supply and complete the work is probably going to include a PowerPoint at some juncture.

However if you are simply a 'bum on seat' contractor there to provide a skill the company does not have, then a CV is how you should represent yourself, the client wants to know you have the skill, proven elsewhere and the experience.

So for now I doubt any contractor is going to stop sending CVs.

[DrewG]

He must be great to be able to send a PPT for a project before he even knows what the project involves.

Why would you apply before you have some info on the project? I bet you've sent a CV before even talking to the recruiter

The trick is, deal with actual recruitment consultants that will share their RFP with you, don't deal with order taker consultants who don't know what's going on.

Do you even know what a discovery process looks like? I get laughed at on here but it really is total amateur hour amongst you bull market contractors.

I've NEVER been given the RFP and NOT won the work. I don't deal with recruiters that won't share

(obviously adjust for recruiters that won their client without an RFP process - I have to say that for the pedants around here).

[vetran]

He must be great to be able to send a PPT for a project before he even knows what the project involves.

Not worked with consultants much before then? Just add "our secure delivery and profit creation process allows us to solve all your problems magically" throw in some TLAs & drawings then you are good to go!

[d000hg]

He must be great to be able to send a PPT for a project before he even knows what the project involves.