Reply to: Let them eat c*** part 193

[d000hg]

Mr Lee should have identified as the cake, then he'd likely have a case.

Especially if it was a fruit cake.

[Paralytic]

That is a good point. It was the message on the cake, not the person requesting the cake, that was being refused.

If Mr Lee had asked for "Happy Birthday Brian" and the bakery refused because they didn't want to serve a gay person then there'd be a case.

Mr Lee should have identified as the cake, then he'd likely have a case.

[NotAllThere]

nope its hilarious!

Nope, it's crap.

[vetran]

Dats Racist

nope its hilarious!

[northernladuk]

yep me too

Dats Racist

[vetran]

I've no idea why I have this impression, but if I were choosing you a bum-cake I'd pick brown icing.

yep me too

[d000hg]

Hmm. Maybe I will order a cake with a big lady bum in pink icing for my next birthday,

I've no idea why I have this impression, but if I were choosing you a bum-cake I'd pick brown icing.

[xoggoth]

Hmm. Maybe I will order a cake with a big lady bum in pink icing for my next birthday,

[Paddy]

(cake that is).



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-59882444 - but to save you the trouble:

It wasn't because they were gay, it was because they wanted an erect penis in pink icing on the cake.

[mattster]

It's a very old case but IIRC (anyone?) the 'customer' targeted the bakery knowing it would cause ructions, they didn't innocently order a cake and get refused.

Yes, from memory I believe this was a targeted stunt knowing that this would be the likely outcome. Knowing that, I have very little sympathy with the complainant.

[d000hg]

It's a very old case but IIRC (anyone?) the 'customer' targeted the bakery knowing it would cause ructions, they didn't innocently order a cake and get refused.

[ladymuck]

Seems odd to me as well. It was highlighted in the case that it is the cake not the person. They didn't not serve him because he was gay, they wouldn't have made the cake if a straight person had ordered it either so they didn't discriminate against the gay person ordering it. This is purely down to the message on the cake so I can't see a problem with them refusing to print the message, be it gay marriage or something untasteful or obscene. I'm sure any baker of any faith would have a problem making a cake with a slogan on that is against their religious beliefs. If I ordered a cake from a Muslim or Jewish bakers that said 'I love pork pies' am I being discriminated against when they kick me out? No I'm not. I've just picked the wrong business for my requirements and I move on to to the next one that will. Maybe a bit of an extreme example as the gay marriage one is borderline in this day and age but the principle is still sound.

That is a good point. It was the message on the cake, not the person requesting the cake, that was being refused.

If Mr Lee had asked for "Happy Birthday Brian" and the bakery refused because they didn't want to serve a gay person then there'd be a case.

[xoggoth]

Agree with LM. When it a case of one person's rights against another's we should surely take account of personal space. The baker should not be forced to do something against his own beliefs.

[northernladuk]

I struggle to see this as a discrimination case. Even though religious beliefs were the reason for refusing to make the cake, there is nothing that says a company is required sell you one of their products on demand.

It seems to me that Mr Lee is discriminating against the bakery for refusing consider their religious and political beliefs. Perhaps if people were more understanding of the fact that not everyone has the same beliefs, there'd be less suing and more tolerance.

Seems odd to me as well. It was highlighted in the case that it is the cake not the person. They didn't not serve him because he was gay, they wouldn't have made the cake if a straight person had ordered it either so they didn't discriminate against the gay person ordering it. This is purely down to the message on the cake so I can't see a problem with them refusing to print the message, be it gay marriage or something untasteful or obscene. I'm sure any baker of any faith would have a problem making a cake with a slogan on that is against their religious beliefs. If I ordered a cake from a Muslim or Jewish bakers that said 'I love pork pies' am I being discriminated against when they kick me out? No I'm not. I've just picked the wrong business for my requirements and I move on to to the next one that will. Maybe a bit of an extreme example as the gay marriage one is borderline in this day and age but the principle is still sound.

[SueEllen]

I heard the headline then eventually heard this:
"Because he had failed to exhaust domestic remedies, the application was inadmissible," it added.

What a waste of bloody money taking to the European Court of Human Rights.