Reply to: Approach after being ghosted

[northernladuk]

Opening at (say) £150k and then immediately dropping to £135k is not great negotiation though because they have already shown their hand.

Only if that £150 is a real number. If it's artificially high just to drag you in and was never on the table then no they haven't. Common sales trick you see everywhere but usually the other way around in retail.

[eek]

It's called negotiating.
Businesses do it all the time. They go in with an offer, you go back with a counter offer - if you're interested. If they are interested, then they look at the figures and make a new offer.

The risk in negotiating is that the other party just moves on to another offer - which is the risk if what you offer doesn't match previous options.

[TheDude]

It's called negotiating.
Businesses do it all the time. They go in with an offer, you go back with a counter offer - if you're interested. If they are interested, then they look at the figures and make a new offer.

Opening at (say) £150k and then immediately dropping to £135k is not great negotiation though because they have already shown their hand.

[WTFH]

I have today received a confirmed offer that is 10% lower than the figure discussed last week but with a *potential* bonus of £40k.

...

I can't imagine why HR bothered to mention an initial salary and then think I would be happy with a lower figure...

It's called negotiating.
Businesses do it all the time. They go in with an offer, you go back with a counter offer - if you're interested. If they are interested, then they look at the figures and make a new offer.

[TheDude]

So...

I received a verbal offer with a salary range benchmarked against my peers last week.

I have today received a confirmed offer that is 10% lower than the figure discussed last week but with a *potential* bonus of £40k.

Having seen bonuses fluctuate wildly as a permie in banks it looks like I will continue to fly the contractor jolly roger for the foreseeable future.

I can't imagine why HR bothered to mention an initial salary and then think I would be happy with a lower figure...

[Whorty]

So I have been made a perm offer for this job a full 15 months after interviewing and at a salary that is very close to my day rate and could far exceed that with bonus.

My only concern is work/life balance.

Only you can decide what is important to you at your stage of life/career. No one else can answer that for you I'm afraid. You ask 10 people on here, you'll have 11 different answers (and that excludes NLUK telling you to go ask your accountant).

[TheDude]

So I have been made a perm offer for this job a full 15 months after interviewing and at a salary that is very close to my day rate and could far exceed that with bonus.

My only concern is work/life balance.

[TheDude]

Older as in over 25?

Over 16.

[northernladuk]

It seems a 50/50 split at the moment. The decent agents who will reply to emails and those who won't care unless its £ in the pocket for them.....

A lot of the "older" agents fall into the latter category.

Older as in over 25?

[psychocandy]

Being ignored for initial applications is normal but ghosting after an interview is bad form. I've never experienced it. I would tend to go with another agent.

It seems a 50/50 split at the moment. The decent agents who will reply to emails and those who won't care unless its £ in the pocket for them.....

A lot of the "older" agents fall into the latter category.

[psychocandy]

It's not civil service is it? A friend took interviews and then heard nothing for a year, suddenly got a call "you got it, when can you start?" Apparently this isn't even unusual.

Public sector client I used to work at handled it a bit like that...... They seemed to think everyone waited around for them.

[cojak]

This is a very large company - the hiring team seem extremely nice. Ghosting appears to be an HR policy.

And that’s supposed to make a difference?

if you get a better offer, take it.

[quackhandle]

I have been here in the past, contacted pimp at well know agency, gig was at HSBC. Interview seemed to go okay but never heard back.


Fast forward 3.5 years later, same pimp, same agency, same bank, same role. Interviewed and got the gig.

Did mention this to pimp about not hearing back from first one and he actually apologised.


Should have recorded it.

qh

[d000hg]

Actually come to think of it the same happened to another friend for a pretty basic role in our local passport office. I think by the time she got offered the role, she had moved to another country and the office in question had been demolished.

[northernladuk]

It's not civil service is it? A friend took interviews and then heard nothing for a year, suddenly got a call "you got it, when can you start?" Apparently this isn't even unusual.

Yup. They put hiring freezes in regularly and when one hits it's a dead stop regardless of business need. Can be for internal reasons like budget, workload, project requirements but also external factors like budget periods, changes of government, machinery of Gov incentives, you name it. There seems to be less reason to go ahead with an appointment than there is to block it at times.