Reply to: State of the Market

[mogga71]

Very happy with Labour so far...

Clobbering private schools, taking money off pensioners who don't need it, increasing taxes on companies rather than workers and apparently HS2 coming back to life.

The sort of people who moan about this stuff are the very problem in our society and enabled the Tories to run this country into the ground over the last 14 years.

....increasing taxes on companies rather than workers ? Considering you are on a Contractors Bulletin Board and most of those people here are on 'Outside' contracts surely you will understand that a lot of people will be disagreeing with this statement as charging Employer NI on a so called 'disguised employee' is a ridiculous enough .... but then increasing it is just taking the absolute pi$$.

I don't actually care who is in power as I know that all any government can do is akin to rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The point of no return came many years ago. I will be amazed if Labour get a second term though .... I think they have come to power at precisely the wrong time and anything they do will do will go down like a lead balloon. The vast majority of this mess came via the Consevatives who let the Country down so badly and nobody is turning that around.

[BlueSharp]

Yup, its why its a lot of tired arguments. In the end its bums on seats, the private schools still need to fill places and will adjust their business model to make sure that continues. Its a lot of hot air.

The bulk of their costs is staff which is not VAT claimable. Its not just VAT but also the removal of business rate releif.

[BlueSharp]

Rubbish.

There are plenty of parents who value education and can't afford private schools. Their sacrifice is devoting their time to help them achieve the best they can.

People send their kids to private school because they think they are buying them a place at the top table.

If they are struggling to find an extra 20% of VAT then they were never welcome there in the first place.

Rubbish, that's the same rubbish logic being trotted out by the Labour Party. That may be true for the very top private school but it's not true for the vast majority of the rest. SEN, military families, poor state options, specialist education like Music, Sports, Art, Dance, religious choise; Are all valid reasons not just the mytical privilege argument.

[dx4100]

Bearing in mind private schools can also claim VAT back on bills, I would question why they all seem to be passing the whole 20% to the parents.

Yup, its why its a lot of tired arguments. In the end its bums on seats, the private schools still need to fill places and will adjust their business model to make sure that continues. Its a lot of hot air.

[SchumiStars]

I paid my university course fees through my tax code ~2004 IIRC. It saved me a further 25%. Very sure this is now not possible.

Clearly the children of parents who can afford the £60k per year for Eton would have companies setup to reduce tax burden.

It's the foreign money that they are trying to attract, although charging locals for existing infrastructure has always been a good earner.

I did read somewhere that the government wants to introduce a charge for the A5 flyover staples corner. The poor people will have to use the roundabout underneath.

[SussexSeagull]

Bearing in mind private schools can also claim VAT back on bills, I would question why they all seem to be passing the whole 20% to the parents.

[Snooky]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

When you're a retired old misery instead of a working one, and spending your days watching Gbeebies and writing angry red-faced comments on the Daily Mail website articles, "such children" will be the ones still working and paying tax so that all the services and infrastructure you'll continue to rely on, but complain incessantly about, can be provided to you. Hope that helps answer your question, given that you seem to lack the most basic understanding of how a society functions.

[TheDude]

That's the crux of the issue, mnay parents give up that list and more to get their kids a decent education simply because they value education more than than others and are prepared to make those sacrifices.

Rubbish.

There are plenty of parents who value education and can't afford private schools. Their sacrifice is devoting their time to help them achieve the best they can.

People send their kids to private school because they think they are buying them a place at the top table.

If they are struggling to find an extra 20% of VAT then they were never welcome there in the first place.

[Smartie]

My daughter has a tutor and I have no idea actually if we pay VAT or not. Wife looks after it. But if they now have to charge VAT as well (I thought they already did - maybe wrong) then so be it.

As usual, this depends on the business supplying your tutor. If they are registered for VAT then you will pay it, if not then you won't.

[dx4100]

That's the crux of the issue, mnay parents give up that list and more to get their kids a decent education simply because they value education more than than others and are prepared to make those sacrifices.

And now they can give up a little bit more to pay the 20% VAT bill and count themselves lucky they have the means to make these choices.

Seriously makes me laugh when this debate happens and these parents want to be portrayed as some sort or martyrs or some how better than other parents for making such "sacrifices", paying out for private school rather than third Rolls Royce

[TheDude]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

How do you know what their parents spend their money on?

[BlueSharp]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

That's the crux of the issue, mnay parents give up that list and more to get their kids a decent education simply because they value education more than than others and are prepared to make those sacrifices.

Personally, I would love to see another £20 billion pumped into the state system so its funded as well as private schools. But you know the masses would kick off having to pay out their pocket for that. It always amazes me when people compare the education systems to Finland not realising their private schools are charities like our own and te Finish taxes are much higher than ours which funds an excellent state system.

[escapeUK]

Oh dear, someone wants an À la carte tax system :P

Bet you won't mind those children paying for your pension when you retire :P

Mind? I'd love it. But, our society will have collapsed long before then. Just need to walk around any city centre and the future is clear to see.

[dx4100]

What about them? Have their parents given up drinking, smoking, tattoos, takeaways to donate to their school? Let me know when they do, then we'll talk about how such children are my responsibility.

Oh dear, someone wants an À la carte tax system :P

Bet you won't mind those children paying for your pension when you retire :P

[dx4100]

What I mean is you usually pay for home schooling from an online school. You can of course home school without that, but that would mean giving up work and teaching your child yourself. I don't think many people choose that option as it's not cost effective and most people aren't qualified to teach.

My daughter has a tutor and I have no idea actually if we pay VAT or not. Wife looks after it. But if they now have to charge VAT as well (I thought they already did - maybe wrong) then so be it.