Crimewatch - Madeleine McCann

[DodgyAgent]

No d000hg, if they had not left her alone, she'd not have been abducted. That's pretty much as far as it goes.

Leaving them in the car and going in a shop could lead to the kids being abducted. We don't do this.

Leaving them in the park next to the pub, and going for a pint, could lead to the kids being abducted. We don't do this.

DO you get the drift yet? Has it sunk in? If they had taken the proper option of staying with their kids, the kid wouldn't have been abducted.

Read this:

Grumpy Old Sod.com - persecuting the McCanns

"Just where do you draw the line? If a kid gets stolen from her bed, is it the mum's fault because she didn't sit at the actual bedside all night long? Why not tie the kid to the bed, wouldn't that help? Or nail its feet to the floor? When that little six-year-old was snatched right out of her bath, was that the mother's fault because she wasn't actually in the room with her? Does a caring, responsible mother stay in the lavatory when her 10-year-old son is having a crap?

To those inadequates I repeat, the rest of us live in the real world. We go to work, we go shopping, we have lives to lead and obligations to many other people as well as the kids. We simply don't have the opportunity to fit grilles to every window, dig a moat in the front garden, install a portcullis and drawbridge, let loose a couple of Alsatians and sit in a darkened room cuddling the children.

Unfortunately there are plenty of narrow-minded little bigots who are only too pleased to seize any opportunity to show how self-righteous they can be, or who are delighted that for once the missing child comes from a nice middle-class family instead of a council estate, or who see the McCanns' vulnerability as an invitation. "


I do not believe you will find any support for your views from any mainstream journalist from the Guardian to the Mail

[Hairy]

You do realise that levelling personal insults doesn't actually change any of the facts? Like how you said you don't take special precautions about MRSA "because that's not abduction". And that you said any choice which leads to abduction is a bad one. Which includes deciding to go on holiday... that is a choice they made which directly led to the abduction.

But you seem quite unable to grasp the entire concept, so never mind.

No, going on holiday didn't lead to the abduction, that's an abstraction, and someone bright enough would realise that. The decisions they made that affected them, was to leave the kids alone, and door unlocked; if they'd have done that at home, it could have happened; it's an abstraction. Shame on you.

You know what MRSA is, don't you? You know how you catch it? When we go to hospitals, we have always washed hands, as advised, and taken all precautions advised by the NHS. You know they're not going to get it playing in the park, don't you? You know this don't you? You didn't just jump on DA's foolish mention of it and run with it, did you?

[Hairy]

Read this:

Grumpy Old Sod.com - persecuting the McCanns

"Just where do you draw the line? If a kid gets stolen from her bed, is it the mum's fault because she didn't sit at the actual bedside all night long? Why not tie the kid to the bed, wouldn't that help? Or nail its feet to the floor? When that little six-year-old was snatched right out of her bath, was that the mother's fault because she wasn't actually in the room with her? Does a caring, responsible mother stay in the lavatory when her 10-year-old son is having a crap?

To those inadequates I repeat, the rest of us live in the real world. We go to work, we go shopping, we have lives to lead and obligations to many other people as well as the kids. We simply don't have the opportunity to fit grilles to every window, dig a moat in the front garden, install a portcullis and drawbridge, let loose a couple of Alsatians and sit in a darkened room cuddling the children.

Unfortunately there are plenty of narrow-minded little bigots who are only too pleased to seize any opportunity to show how self-righteous they can be, or who are delighted that for once the missing child comes from a nice middle-class family instead of a council estate, or who see the McCanns' vulnerability as an invitation. "


I do not believe you will find any support for your views from any mainstream journalist from the Guardian to the Mail

I think you will. This isn't something terrible tragedy; this isn't some modern disaster. If they had not been selfish, this wouldn't have happened. If they took their responsibilities, as parents, seriously, this wouldn't have happened. They weren't asleep on a deck chair when some fop came in and took hem away, from under their noses, they were in a restaurant, dancing, eating and drinking.

Remember, they chose these actions, no one else. It's not as if they were there looking after their kids; this is down to their actions that led to the kidnapping.

[d000hg]

No, going on holiday didn't lead to the abduction, that's an abstraction, and someone bright enough would realise that. The decisions they made that affected them, was to leave the kids alone, and door unlocked; if they'd have done that at home, it could have happened; it's an abstraction. Shame on you.

Could have happened, sure. But if they had stayed in a different room in the same hotel and done everything else the same, she wouldn't have been abducted and we wouldn't be having this whole discussion.

[Churchill]

James Bulger's mum didn't get this grief.

If the public at large knew she was shoplifting while the kid was lifted I wager opinions would be different.

[DodgyAgent]

James Bulger's mum didn't get this grief.

She is not an affluent white middle class person so we do not feel threatened by what happened to her. The reason so many of the affluent middle classes get so emotional about this is because the Mcanns are us and if it can happen to the Mcanns it can happen to any of us. We then deal with it in a number of ways. One way is to desperately search for a differentiator between ourselves and the Mcanns that will convince us that it wouldn't happen to us. I challenge anyone not to have looked closely at events and then breathed a sigh of relief at being able to say "we would never have left our child alone like this".

In order to properly rationalise this we then start questioning our own parenting values and in so doing build the differentiator into something bigger by pouring cruelty and bile upon the Mcanns. The more cruel we are about them the less likely we think it will happen to us and the better we are as parents. Hogwash

Our reaction to what has happened to the Mcanns tells us far more about ourselves than it does about their situation.

[original PM]

lol

ffs

Maddy was not 10 or 6 she was 3

The parents were not just in the other room/sat on the balcony they were 15 minutes away in a bar

Of course if you were sat in 1 room while your child is asleep in the other and some fookin ninja stealths in and steals the child that is a completely different kettle of fish but you know most peado's ain't fookin ninja's

but that did not happen

[DodgyAgent]

I think you will.

I suggest you try "www.google.com" and type in "Madeleine mcann" and "bigot"

[DodgyAgent]

lol

ffs

Maddy was not 10 or 6 she was 3

The parents were not just in the other room/sat on the balcony they were 15 minutes away in a bar

Of course if you were sat in 1 room while your child is asleep in the other and some fookin ninja stealths in and steals the child that is a completely different kettle of fish but you know most peado's ain't fookin ninja's

but that did not happen

No it didn't but what if it had? why didn't you mine the stairways and put iron bars in the windows?

[Hairy]

Could have happened, sure. But if they had stayed in a different room in the same hotel and done everything else the same, she wouldn't have been abducted and we wouldn't be having this whole discussion.

No d000hg, this is where you are failing. If they stayed in a different room in the same hotel and did everything the same, she MAY NOT have been abducted.