Woolwich Incident

[DimPrawn]

These guys have nothing to fear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...n_Human_Rights


Who they gonna call?

Matrix Chambers


Who will pay their million £££ legal bills?

You and I

[d000hg]

The only common denominator is relegion.

Are you proggy's sockie-master?

[SueEllen]

Yes it is depressing, we haven't regressed, but we've allowed many entry from cultures not as enlightened as ours where tribalism and religion are core values.

What is interesting is the disconnection with the host country and the affiliation to a country never even visited. These are global vagrants who haven't adapted to a complex western society and are giving themselves an simplistic identity and sense of belonging (do not underestimate the allure of this to all human beings) by turning to a cause that fills this void.

It's not actually that complex - it's brain washing of young people and it's been going on for years.

It's very easy to do particularly in cities with good public transport and where there are universities and colleges. Or with prisoners who are a captive market.

You go and speak to young people between 16-25 and tell them about "your God" and invite them to study Holy books with you whilst telling them your warped version of Christianity or Islam.

Before I was 18 I knew two girls who succumbed to this brainwashing - one Christian and the other Muslim. I knew one of them quite well but had decent conversations with the other one. Neither of them had been brought up religious.

I later met 2 blokes who had brain washed between 18-21 by Islam. One of them had been to prison. Luckily they both had siblings with good Muslim friends who kept an eye on them. Once their cult leaders realised someone Muslim was keeping an eye on them they left them alone and the guys lost their "faith" in a couple of years.

[NotAllThere]

Are you proggy's sockie-master?

Probably got the wrong login.

[NotAllThere]

Before I was 18 I knew two girls who succumbed to this brainwashing - one Christian and the other Muslim. I knew one of them quite well but had decent conversations with the other one. Neither of them had been brought up religious.

Were they Christian/Muslim before the brainwashing? What were they brainwashed into?

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I later met 2 blokes who had brain washed between 18-21 by Islam. One of them had been to prison. Luckily they both had siblings with good Muslim friends who kept an eye on them. Once their cult leaders realised someone Muslim was keeping an eye on them they left them alone and the guys lost their "faith" in a couple of years.

It was an Islamic cult? Did they cease their cultic beliefs and adopt a more mainstream Islamic faith?

[Mich the Tester]

The courts determined that he was here legally

Strange how you are so quick to denigrate the victim in this case. Not once but twice

One thing which the legal process did achieve in this case was the lengths which the met police were prepared to go to in order to cover up the truth.

Indeed; it's also not up to the police to decide if the guys was in Britain illegally, but the courts. If the police decide, that's a police state and not the 'rule of law'.

[vetran]

The courts determined that he was here legally

Strange how you are so quick to denigrate the victim in this case. Not once but twice

One thing which the legal process did achieve in this case was the lengths which the met police were prepared to go to in order to cover up the truth.

On investigation, this stamp was not one that was in use by the Immigration and Nationality Directorate on the date given." This was denied by the family of Menezes; and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw stated that he believed Menezes was living in the UK legally, but had no precise information to confirm this.[2] Immigration records show that Menezes entered the Republic of Ireland from France on 23 April 2005. There are no records to show the exact date that he returned to the UK; however, under the Common Travel Area system, a foreign citizen entering the UK through the Republic of Ireland has an automatic right to remain for three months. Therefore, Menezes was lawfully in the UK on the day he was killed, irrespective of whether the stamp in his passport recording indefinite leave to remain was a forgery.[3]

Mr Roach told the court Mr de Menezes first entered the country on 13 March 2002 and was given six months' leave to remain, before extending his stay, as a student, to 30 June 2003.

He had a passport with an invalid and possibly forged stamp. He had been here for some time and was probably here for work despite not being entitled to work. If you breach the terms of your visa especially by working illegally you are considered to be here illegally and can be sent home summarily.

UK Immigration and Visa Services - Work Permits - For Employers - Illegal employment

It would be reasonable to suspect his immigration status was murky, this was not investigated probably as part of the deal to make it go away as an issue.

yes he was innocent of being a terrorist but he wasn't following the normal path of a legal upstanding citizen either.

[Spacecadet]

He had a passport with an invalid and possibly forged stamp. He had been here for some time and was probably here for work despite not being entitled to work. If you breach the terms of your visa especially by working illegally you are considered to be here illegally and can be sent home summarily.

UK Immigration and Visa Services - Work Permits - For Employers - Illegal employment

It would be reasonable to suspect his immigration status was murky, this was not investigated probably as part of the deal to make it go away as an issue.

yes he was innocent of being a terrorist but he wasn't following the normal path of a legal upstanding citizen either.

I see your point, shooting him was perfectly excusable under those circumstances

[xoggoth]

One quote:

Boris Johnson the Mayor of London said it would be wrong to blame the killing on either Islam or British foreign policy.

Why must people trot out such claptrap? Somebody commits a murder claiming it's in the name if Islam and it's nothing to do with Islam? If he had been a Christian/Sikh/Buddhist/etc. I would agree it was just some lone nutcase, they occur in every creed and none. But with Islam violent attacks on others, including of other Islamic branches, are a regular happening all over the world. Marginalisation of and discrimination against others is quite normal even in "moderate" Islamic nations. People want to stop this deliberate PC ignorance and check the facts.

The British foreign policy bit is crap too. If I came from Pakistan etc. I would be pissed off with invasions and drones killing innocent people as well. The daft US/UK policies over many decades have fuelled Islamic fundamentalism.

[Mich the Tester]

I see your point, shooting him was perfectly excusable under those circumstances

Having first inspected his passport and asked pertinent questions, despite there being no reason for him to be questioned. Yep.