Woolwich Incident

[sasguru]

Maybe if you could focus on the point you want to make rather than pulling cheap tricks to discredit the other viewpoint you wouldn't look such a fool.

If religion is such an easy target, you shouldn't have to resort to such tactics as "it's from a long time ago so it can't be trusted". Heard of Socrates, Plato & Pythagoras? I mean surely triangles have moved on in the last 2500 years...

Jeez. Remind me which ex-poly you attended again?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

It says not to exceed limits, but to kill them...

Can you see the point yet? Interpretation.

But it says to fight them as they fight you - i.e. in self-defence. (that's what I understand from it anyway). then it says to not exceed the limits i.e. if they are doing something immoral then don't do the same back. Seems obvious to me?

[vetran]

Who is covering his immigration status up? The police speculated on his immigration status and lied about a whole lot more, trying to get themselves out of a situation where they fooked up and killed a man with no evidence to support doing so; they were clutching at straws when they should have had the basic decency and respect for the law to say 'oops it looks like we've made a dreadful mistake'. The people who tried to cover up what happened are in my books not much better than those two scumbags that killed the soldier in London yesterday, and instead of being promoted they should be rotting in prison having extra arses made for them in the showers every day, preferably by the two probably quite well endowed Nigerians who'll be going to prison shortly.

If you read my earlier post I suggested the government had as part of the apology deal.It may also have been done to cover up the state of immigration.

Your sentiments about the people who ran the cover up are similar to mine. The guy did not deserve to die, the policemen who shot him need removing from firearms duty as their conduct was below what would be expected but the majority of the distaste is the senior police officers who flat out lied.

[Spacecadet]

Why? The original script was inspired by an a creature who knows everything, is everywhere and can do anything. What mistakes or omissions he could possibly have made?

He uses the Agile method when it comes to creating religious doctrine

[MyUserName]

He uses the Agile method when it comes to creating religious doctrine

Badoom - tsh!

[sasguru]

He uses the Agile method when it comes to creating religious doctrine

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Spacecadet again.

[Old Hack]

But it says to fight them as they fight you - i.e. in self-defence. (that's what I understand from it anyway) - THIS IS INTERPRETATION. then it says to not exceed the limits i.e. if they are doing something immoral then don't do the same back. Seems obvious to me?

So killing is not immoral?

"Fight in the cause of Allah, with those who fight with you" - Could this be fighting an argument? A fist fight? Knives, guns?

"And do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits" - what limits? What are the limits? Death, a punch, a slap? A simple lecture?

"And kill them wherever you find them" - Pretty clear cut here

",and drive them out from where they drove you out"

Interpretation.

I can see a lot of that being taken many ways. But killing them, is pretty clear cut, in it's own, or inclusively - Not, if they try and kill you, defend yourself, defend allah, and kill them. Simply, kill them where you find them.

[Mich the Tester]

"And do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits" - what limits? What are the limits? Death, a punch, a slap? A simple lecture?

A strongly worded letter to The Times, as suggested by Mr Brigstocke.

Marcus Brigstocke's '3 Abrahamic Faiths' Rant - YouTube

[Old Hack]

All I am saying, is that for many centuries, scholars have remained divided on the meaning of the quran, or Mohammeds words.

If scholars can argue for years, and still be at it, then Imams can most certainly interpret to their own end, and preach hatred. It's is why we have arrived to where we currently lie.

[d000hg]

Back on track MyUserName. Did you ask about amputees in this thread yet?