Woolwich Incident

[vetran]

So you want a system whereby someone has to prove he's doing things legally? I prefer the burden of proof to be on those who think he's doing something illegally. Maybe some other people hold this somewhat unfashionable view too.

plenty of them exist

Driving License
Safety Certification
Medical registration
Insurance certificate
Bar Registration
Boarding card
Train ticket
etc.

[Mich the Tester]

plenty of them exist

Driving License
Safety Certification
Medical registration
Insurance certificate
Bar Registration
Boarding card
Train ticket
etc.

And in all those cases you get a chance to explain any irregularities before the conclusion is drawn that you're doing something wrong. And you don't get shot.

[darmstadt]

What amazes me about researching the Quran, is that Islamic Scholars still discuss what was meant by his words, which, to me, indicates they don't really understand his words. I am not being glib by saying it's in the interpretation of his words by the powerful and fundamentalist Imam's that produce behaviour as we have seen.

Same as the Vatican and the bible, same as Rabbi's and the Tanakh. Some of the intepretations I saw when working in Israel were bordering on the ridiculous.

[vetran]

And in all those cases you get a chance to explain any irregularities before the conclusion is drawn that you're doing something wrong. And you don't get shot.

He didn't get shot because he was an illegal immigrant, he got shot because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Correlation + causation.

actually I suspect in certain situations you might not get the opportunity, I don't think yesterday afternoon they asked the guys with knives charging at them if they were jobbing butchers or Islamic surgeons moonlighting.

[sasguru]

However the religionists argue it the facts remain:

1. they put their faith in some books written thousands ago.
2. they have no evidence they can produce to show these books originate in any way other than from other men.

It's all bollux.

HTH, BIKIW.

[Spacecadet]

He didn't get shot because he was an illegal immigrant, he got shot because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Wrong places wrong times

The police had been tracking him for a while and made a number of errors before going in for the kill

[Spacecadet]

However the religionists argue it the facts remain:

1. they put their faith in some books written thousands ago.
2. they have no evidence they can produce to show these books originate in any way other than from other men.

It's all bollux.

HTH, BIKIW.

In the case of Christianity that's hundreds of years ago.

[Mich the Tester]

He didn't get shot because he was an illegal immigrant, he got shot because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Correlation + causation.

So the status of his paperwork was actually completely irrelevant and it was rather spiteful and unnecessary for you to raise the subject.

[sasguru]

The eye for an eye part was never about revenge, it is about the proportionality of punishment. Almost always misunderstood and misused.

Anyways, what do we think the jump in UKIP vote will be? I think between 5 and 10%

It won't have any effect on UKIP's vote since one of the guys was born in Britain. His parents live in a little village outside Lincoln FFS. All the murderous local terrorists so far seem to be British born.

[Old Hack]

It won't have any effect on UKIP's vote since one of the guys was born in Britain. His parents live in a little village outside Lincoln FFS. All the murderous local terrorists so far seem to be British born.

Depends on how the UKIP use the 'opportunity' really.

Lincoln is a huge base of UKIP votes, ironically.