Woolwich Incident

[lilelvis2000]

Wrong places wrong times

The police had been tracking him for a while and made a number of errors before going in for the kill

And don't forget the police lied about the manner in which he was killed. Overall a mighty big cockup..which everyone (the police) got away with. Heck people were promoted after that.

[Mich the Tester]

It won't have any effect on UKIP's vote since one of the guys was born in Britain. His parents live in a little village outside Lincoln FFS. All the murderous local terrorists so far seem to be British born.

Dangerous, those bumpkins. Especially Lincolnshirist radicals.

[Mich the Tester]

And don't forget the police lied about the manner in which he was killed. Overall a mighty big cockup..which everyone (the police) got away with. Heck people were promoted after that.

And tampered with evidence, which would land anyone else in prison.

[vetran]

So the status of his paperwork was actually completely irrelevant and it was rather spiteful and unnecessary for you to raise the subject.

you raised the situation as an example of a successful long drawn out enquiry. I pointed out it didn't identify his immigration status effectively, the full facts surrounding the shooting (I'm pretty sure there are more) or result in anyone being penalised for a disgraceful screw up and cover up.

You jumped on the immigration point and stated without evidence he wasn't an illegal when it was quite clearly a vague situation and the government are keen to keep it that way.

[d000hg]

However the religionists argue it the facts remain:

1. they put their faith in some books written thousands ago.
2. they have no evidence they can produce to show these books originate in any way other than from other men.

It's all bollux.

HTH, BIKIW.

Modern philosophy and mathematics is based on 'some books written thousands of years ago' so you only have one point to make, not two.

[mudskipper]

It won't have any effect on UKIP's vote since one of the guys was born in Britain. His parents live in a little village outside Lincoln FFS. All the murderous local terrorists so far seem to be British born.

I guess as a British born black guy you're more likely than most to have some identity issues - you don't look like the citizens of the country you're supposed to belong to, and there's still plenty of racial abuse. Your parent's country is somewhere you've no real associations with - you don't feel you belong anywhere properly. As such, you're a prime candidate for extremist nutters who give you the "belonging" you're missing.

[MyUserName]

Tell me this; why would people who call themselves 'Christians' really be too bothered about rules and exhortations in the Old Testament, given that the word 'Christian' implies that they follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, as documented in the New Testament?

In other words, it seems to me that the Old Testament isn't really the key to Christianity, but perhaps is a store of the historical backgrounds.

The main reason is that the vast majority of Christians pick and choose which bits of the bible they like and either ignore bits they don't or find ways to rationalise them away.

They are often the same people who claim that the bible has no contradictions, no 'bad sciene', that eternal torture for a finite sin (which you may not have intentionally committed) and that they will be happy in heaven knowing that people in hell for reasons which they could not control are being horrifically tortured and will be forever. Some Christians have even told me they look forward to seeing me there.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Absolutely untrue, absolutely. The whole ethos of this religion, is that there is no word per se, there are teachings, which are subjective.

Let's look at "Fight and slay the infidels wherever you find them" - Historically, you can argue when Islam was powerful, this didn't happen and it's simply the way the Quran was writen. However, do you think an Imam could not put a different spin on the meaning of the words?

**** a duck, the whole smoke and mirrors about religion is that you base beliefs on the interpretations. Listen to two priest talk of the same parables, and they can very easily come up with two interpretations.

It's the same in islam

"And fight in the cause of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits. And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from where they drove you out..."

Very interesting - so it says to not exceed the limits. These guys have exceeded all limits and boundaries!

[Spacecadet]

you raised the situation as an example of a successful long drawn out enquiry. I pointed out it didn't identify his immigration status effectively, the full facts surrounding the shooting (I'm pretty sure there are more) or result in anyone being penalised for a disgraceful screw up and cover up.

You jumped on the immigration point and stated without evidence he wasn't an illegal when it was quite clearly a vague situation and the government are keen to keep it that way.

That was me
evidence:
BBC NEWS | UK | Menezes picture 'was manipulated'

Earlier, Mr Thwaites cross-examined immigration official Paul Roach over a counterfeit stamp found in the Brazilian's passport, asking if this meant he had been in the country illegally.

Mr Roach told the court Mr de Menezes first entered the country on 13 March 2002 and was given six months' leave to remain, before extending his stay, as a student, to 30 June 2003.

The next record was of him arriving in Ireland from France on 23 April 2005 but there was no notification of when he returned to the UK.

The court heard how as a person entering Britain from Ireland, he would have had an automatic three-month leave to remain which at the earliest would have run out on 23 July, the day after he was killed.

[vetran]

The main reason is that the vast majority of Christians pick and choose which bits of the bible they like and either ignore bits they don't or find ways to rationalise them away.

They are often the same people who claim that the bible has no contradictions, no 'bad sciene', that eternal torture for a finite sin (which you may not have intentionally committed) and that they will be happy in heaven knowing that people in hell for reasons which they could not control are being horrifically tortured and will be forever. Some Christians have even told me they look forward to seeing me there.

Mosquito!