Woolwich Incident

[KaiserWilly]

One quote:

The British foreign policy bit is crap too. If I came from Pakistan etc. I would be pissed off with invasions and drones killing innocent people as well. The daft US/UK policies over many decades have fuelled Islamic fundamentalism.

Christians are persecuted in Iraq, Syria and Egypt. Shall we kill a few muzz in revenge?

OTOH, US/UK policies are stupid, but they are not the intellectual cause of Islamism. Read Sayyid Qutb. Islam is a supremacist religion and will always be.

[xoggoth]

Terrorist words here:

Woolwich attack: the terrorist's rant - Telegraph

Don't agree with the murder but I agree with most of what he said.

[vetran]

I see your point, shooting him was perfectly excusable under those circumstances

reductio ad absurdium - nice gambit.

I never said it was if you read my post. I did however say he shouldn't have been here.

They should have stopped and questioned him away from the crowds, they shouldn't have misidentified him as a terrorist. He should have been at home in Brazil. all were factors.

[Mich the Tester]

reductio ad absurdium - nice gambit.

I never said it was if you read my post. I did however say he shouldn't have been here.

They should have stopped and questioned him away from the crowds, they shouldn't have misidentified him as a terrorist. He should have been at home in Brazil. all were factors.

Because there was some uncertainty as to the status of his documents, and he might not even have known about that? Has no government department ever made a mistake in the procedures or documentation affecting you, or anyone else? Really, you're stretching this argument beyond breaking point; concluding someone's an illegal immigrant because there is some irregularity in the paperwork is like concluding you're a fraudster because you or the taxman or your accountant spelt your address incorrectly in a tax form. You wouldn't consider that fair or reasonable, so don't apply different standards to Menezes.

[xoggoth]

Christians are persecuted in Iraq, Syria and Egypt. Shall we kill a few muzz in revenge?

We don't because we don't think like that and it illustrates why Islam is the problem. No other faith appears to regard every conflict/tension in the world that involves those of that faith as an attack on it. Nigerians probably have no better grasp of Iraqi/Afghan culture than we do, Islam is the only aspect of commonality.

Not to say that we have any right to interfere in their cultures without very, very good reason for our own defence. Invasions of Pakistan and Afghanistan made not an ounce of sense.

[AtW]

Invasions of Pakistan and Afghanistan made not an ounce of sense.

When was Pakistan invaded?

[Mich the Tester]

We don't because we don't think like that and it illustrates why Islam is the problem. No other faith appears to regard every conflict/tension in the world that involves those of that faith as an attack on it. Nigerians probably have no better grasp of Iraqi/Afghan culture than we do, Islam is the only aspect of commonality.

Not to say that we have any right to interfere in their cultures without very, very good reason for our own defence. Invasions of Pakistan and Afghanistan made not an ounce of sense.

Nigerians are suffering more than most right now, what with Boko Haram going mad all over the country. Booko Haram are seen by some as an extension of the Maitatsine movement of the 70s, founded by a mad imam who believed that Mohammed wasn't the real prophet. The main islamic leader in Nigeria is the Sultan of Sokoto, who hates Boko Haram and they've tried to kill him a few times.

[EternalOptimist]

Yep. But I sometimes wonder if political/religious extremism itself is a mental health problem.

I have been thinking this for quite a while now.

Mind you, I never met an extremist who didnt think he was in the centre

[Mich the Tester]

I have been thinking this for quite a while now.

Mind you, I never met an extremist who didnt think he was in the centre

Thing is, it's difficult to define what is extreme. I hold views regarding freedom of migration/immigration that are not exactly mainstream, but then in the context of academics researching the subject they wouldn't be seen as extreme.

[EternalOptimist]

Thing is, it's difficult to define what is extreme. I hold views regarding freedom of migration/immigration that are not exactly mainstream, but then in the context of academics researching the subject they wouldn't be seen as extreme.

Well, this is where the 'do unto others' and the maximisation of human happiness come in

religion and humanism come together quite nicely here i think