Woolwich Incident

[SueEllen]

Were they Christian/Muslim before the brainwashing? What were they brainwashed into?

Both from non-practising Christian families.

One turned Christian and the other Muslim.

It was an Islamic cult?
Did theycease their cultic beliefs and adopt a more mainstream Islamic faith?

Thanks to the intervention of their siblings and the close eye kept on them they are both non-religious.

[Mich the Tester]

see the link in my earlier post - it does since 1999.

It's a piece of paper FFS. A piece of paper, printed out of an IT system that may contain errors (probably does), out of a database that probably contains errors, typed in by a human who almost certainly makes mistakes, etcetera, and you want that piece of paper to be the ultimate determinant of whether someone's legally allowed to be in Britain and work?

Thank goodness for testers; we need someone who doesn't just blindly believe the output of systems.

[xoggoth]

if he was working on some other visa than a working visa, then he may have been working illegally

Working without a visa, working in breach of visa conditions. Except in strictly legal terms the distinction seems rather academic. The student visa system is totally abused, 51% of Nigerians and 49% of Indians admitted on a 3 year student visa in 2004 were still here in 2009.

PS Correction:
Nigeria 51%
Pakistan 48%
India 44%

[KentPhilip]

Terrorist words here:

Woolwich attack: the terrorist's rant - Telegraph

Don't agree with the murder but I agree with most of what he said.

So the guy was saying that British forces are killing innocent people in Afghanistan etc. Is he correct? Well unless you're there you have no way of knowing.
So we have to assume he might have a point, must we not?

[MyUserName]

So the guy was saying that British forces are killing innocent people in Afghanistan etc. Is he correct? Well unless you're there you have no way of knowing.
So we have to assume he might have a point, must we not?

Whether he has a point or not is irrelevant. It would not justify what they did.

[Spacecadet]

So the guy was saying that British forces are killing innocent people in Afghanistan etc. Is he correct? Well unless you're there you have no way of knowing.
So we have to assume he might have a point, must we not?

They're probably killing more civilians than Taliban. Not on purpose of course but try telling that to the families

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

They're probably killing more civilians than Taliban. Not on purpose of course but try telling that to the families

interesting point - killing of innocent people in cold blood is not something we are used to here - but this is what people in the invaded countries are very used to. Spare a though to the normal Iraqis/Afghans who have extremist lunatics on one side and foreign invader bombs on the other side.

Having said that, there is no doubt that a virus exists in the world. They carry the tag of Islam/Muslim but will turn on anybody who disagrees with them (that includes Muslims of every persuasion). It is important to note that these people can't be part of "Islam" because no religion would ever preach self destruction of itself! These guys are thugs/criminals/maniacs and they belong to an evil ideology that wears the garment of Islam - though I am sure it has nothing to do with it.

[Paddy]

So the guy was saying that British forces are killing innocent people in Afghanistan etc. Is he correct? Well unless you're there you have no way of knowing.
So we have to assume he might have a point, must we not?

The short answer is: There is no “we” it is the government. The government are killing innocent people in Afghanistan in order to protect the drug trade that feeds the banks. (Known fact; read about HSBC) The government should get out of Afghanistan. Furthermore, the government has been letting uncontrolled immigration, even those people who are too extreme for their own country. Simple answer; send them all back. Both problems are caused by government.

[Old Hack]

interesting point - killing of innocent people in cold blood is not something we are used to here - but this is what people in the invaded countries are very used to. Spare a though to the normal Iraqis/Afghans who have extremist lunatics on one side and foreign invader bombs on the other side.

Having said that, there is no doubt that a virus exists in the world. They carry the tag of Islam/Muslim but will turn on anybody who disagrees with them (that includes Muslims of every persuasion). It is important to note that these people can't be part of "Islam" because no religion would ever preach self destruction of itself! These guys are thugs/criminals/maniacs and they belong to an evil ideology that wears the garment of Islam - though I am sure it has nothing to do with it.

The thing you are missing, is interpretation of 'the words' of Mohammed. It is how these words are interpreted that causes what we see, for some see killing the infidel as the actual words of the prophet, some see a muslims mission is to convert the infidel, the non believers.

[vetran]

It's a piece of paper FFS. A piece of paper, printed out of an IT system that may contain errors (probably does), out of a database that probably contains errors, typed in by a human who almost certainly makes mistakes, etcetera, and you want that piece of paper to be the ultimate determinant of whether someone's legally allowed to be in Britain and work?

Thank goodness for testers; we need someone who doesn't just blindly believe the output of systems.

It needs something to permit someone to enter Britain to work.

Its a process that has checks & balances.There is a peculiarity in his ILR (a bug if you like that wasn't investigated) there was a technicality that addressed his presence but not the fact he was working which would have made him technically illegal.

As a Brazilian he would need to follow standard immigration processes not claim asylum. He could be sent home fairly easily to his safe home country for working illegally.

Refusing / granting someone the right of entry to a country and specifying what they can do is the basics of an immigration policy.

If you were American and found working as an employee on a visitors Visa in Germany would you be regarded as there illegally & sent home?