Gay marriage

[darmstadt]

I just don't like the way that the word 'gay' has been misappropriated. It now makes it difficult to have a 'gay old time' or 'it was a gay day.'


(Also goes for the word 'queer' as in 'I came over all queer.')

[istvan]

First they came for the communists? I didn't realise you are being oppressed by gay people getting the freedom to marry who they love.

you misread my statement...

Let me quote, what I said:

"If they choose to live together, I am not in their way. If they think it is right what they do, it is their conscience not mine. However, I ask them not to force my conscience. My conscience says it is wrong and that is my private realm. Do not interfere with the freedom of my conscience."

[proggy]

There is a good reason for that. Practicing homosexuals would not want to join the early christian church with it's emphasis on chastity so were not considered. Joining the early church was an arduous affair with catchumens waiting up to and beyond twenty years to receive baptism when you had to be clean of sin. Lust was seen as a sin as it corrupts relationships and can cause deep emotional unhappiness. This was common in Greek thought around this time and earlier. Even Socrates was glad of his later impotence as it freed him 'from the tyrant below'.As St Paul said, 'it would be better if you were like me' i.e. celibate, but if you can't then be married for procreation. Hence why many took to being monks and nuns. Many ancient non christian Romans admired the will power of these early Christians for their abstinence amongst other things.

Physical homosexual behavior is in the same category as using contraception, it is sex for pleasure, therefore lust and sinful.

The problems came when Christianity became mandatory in the early 5th Cen. The bigots who quote from Leviticus etc have no idea about the roots of the issue and have twisted it to their own prejudices.

Even the RC recognises that two men/women can have a deep love between them, but, a big but, they should not indulge in lust.

Yeah lets bottle that lust up and force people to be celibate, what could possibly go wrong by brandishing a perectly healthy and natural human instinct as bad and dirty.

[MyUserName]

Except that homosexuality is a choice and race isn't . Oh.. sorry. Forgot. If you're gay, you're born that way and sexual orientation never ever ever ever ever changes.

It might well change over time but it is not consciously selected. People have no real control over who they fall in love with.

[NotAllThere]

I find it more offensive that I can live with my partner all my life, bring kids up (in the way of the church if you want to throw that in) and do everything expected of a male and female yet I am excluded from many things that require a spouse that two people who cannot (in the normal sense) have a family and are not really accepted in the eyes of the church can get by now getting married.

I would be much happier if they fixed other issues such as this first that affect many more people than focussing on gay marriage which kinda now means that I am the discriminated party when it comes to love, family and life.

Took me a while to parse that... so, what are you excluded from?

[northernladuk]

It might well change over time but it is not consciously selected. People have no real control over who they fall in love with.

Give it 20 years and some nut will find a way to 'fix' gay people.... Imagine the uproar when that one is announced.

[northernladuk]

Took me a while to parse that... so, what are you excluded from?

Tax breaks and anything that includes a spouse or civil partnership but not a long term relationship with neither. There are plenty of examples around.

[vetran]

Except that homosexuality is a choice and race isn't . Oh.. sorry. Forgot. If you're gay, you're born that way and sexual orientation never ever ever ever ever changes.

well the guys I grew up it was obvious from an early age, one of the twins was macho, the other was most definitely effeminate from being a toddler.

Yes some people may be bi, curious, pushed towards and late discovering but I suspect some sexuality is defined in the womb. And there is a Daily Mail story to prove it.

[Gibbon]

Yeah lets bottle that lust up and force people to be celibate, what could possibly go wrong by brandishing a perectly healthy and natural human instinct as bad and dirty.

You really are stultissimus! The early church didn't force itself on anybody, the power politics of the 4/5 cent did that. Some people wanted to join and actually celibacy was seen as an armor against unhappiness by Stoics as well.

[proggy]

Love how relgiopaths always start a response by calling you an idiot, so much for being charitable and nice, also very ironic.