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[suityou01]

Wrong again-



Engineering Council.

FB relax. I think Mr Minestrone was a little recalcitrant the other night (my humble opinion). We all have days like that, I know I have. No one is doubting your credentials.

HTH

[Fred Bloggs]

FB relax. I think Mr Minestrone was a little recalcitrant the other night (my humble opinion). We all have days like that, I know I have. No one is doubting your credentials.

HTH

OK, thank you. Last word from me then.

[minestrone]

I am not belittling your qualifications FB but I do stand by my belief that to call yourself an engineer you should have studied and passed an engineering degree. Architects have that, lawyers also, doctors. I am saying that the bar has to be placed somewhere and that should be with a degree. It takes 5 years to get the degree in MEch Eng, 5 years of heavy maths and I do not think anyone who has not done that level of study should be allowed to call themselves a Mechanical Engineer.

There was a thread on here a few weeks ago about conversion courses and quite a few CS graduates waded in to say that they were all frauds, useless and incapable so I do not think that my views on protecting my educational achievements are out of the norm on this board.

For what it is worth I would never call myself a Software Engineer, only a software developer.

[Fred Bloggs]

The world has changed. Today I'd tend to agree with you. But nearly 40 years ago the world was a different place if you grew up on a council estate like I did. The holy grail of engineering on our estate was to become a coded welder. Pretty soon, all the old dinosaur engineers like me will be gone. And it's kind of sad since I have very frequently been told by the younger MEng engineers that I have worked with over the years that they learned a lot from working with or for me and that they'll miss me when I've moved elsewhere. So, from where I'm stood, day to day the young highly qualified engineers that I work with have no difficulty at all accepting me as a CEng without the MEng but with a lifetime of experience. Starting out today, it's almost impossible to do what I did.

[minestrone]

I lived next to a chap that did an appentiship as a tool maker then went onto do a bums on seats degree in Technology and Management.

He ran up to me one day and asked me to explain a formula. He was in his final year and wanted to know why 2sinX + X was not 3X.

He never understood the basics of maths and yet he is now a manager of a department in a large engineering company.

The stuff I learned at school he was struggling with in his degree.

He still does not know the difference.

Is there any wonder us with REAL engineering degrees question the capability of the people without them.

[NickFitz]

I lived next to a chap that did an appentiship as a tool maker then went onto do a bums on seats degree in Technology and Management.

He ran up to me one day and asked me to explain a formula. He was in his final year and wanted to know why 2sinX + X was not 3X.

He never understood the basics of maths and yet he is now a manager of a department in a large engineering company.

The stuff I learned at school he was struggling with in his degree.

He still does not know the difference.

Is there any wonder us with REAL engineering degrees question the capability of the people without them.

Relying on anecdotal evidence isn't very scientific. Can you adduce any studies demonstrating that those practitioners who meet your requirements perform consistently better, according to relevant metrics, than those who do not meet them?

If not, it's just your opinion.

[minestrone]

Relying on anecdotal evidence isn't very scientific. Can you adduce any studies demonstrating that those practitioners who meet your requirements perform consistently better, according to relevant metrics, than those who do not meet them?

If not, it's just your opinion.

FFS, can you not read...

"I do stand by my belief that to call yourself an engineer you should have studied and passed an engineering degree"

[minestrone]

Relying on anecdotal evidence isn't very scientific. Can you adduce any studies demonstrating that those practitioners who meet your requirements perform consistently better, according to relevant metrics, than those who do not meet them?

If not, it's just your opinion.

Actually, let us set up a test...

Can FB explain Bernoulli's principle to me?

[suityou01]

Actually, let us set up a test...

Can FB explain Bernoulli's principle to me?

Minestrone, please please please foxtrot oscar you sad sad little man. How dare you come on here preaching to FB, and try and publicly humiliate him into accepting he is not a "proper" engineer.

Go and pick on someone else. As FB mentioned before, it is a lifetime of hard fought and won engineering experience that makes him an engineer. I for one would employ and respect that on ANY engineering project.

Trumped up little tw*t.

HTFH

[Fred Bloggs]

Actually, let us set up a test...

Can FB explain Bernoulli's principle to me?

Yes and for an excellent practical application, please look up a labyrinth piston compressor. A design championed by Sulzer Burckhardt and a technology I'm something of an expert in, particularly when used in pure oxygen applications. Can you see why Bernoulli is vital to this design of machine and why it wouldn't work without Bernoulli? Can you see why this design is favoured by some vendors for pure oxygen applications over other types of piston compressor?