Trump's legacy

[willendure]

Thing is, what is the UK getting next? The worse things get the more chance it is going to be Reform, and our own mini Trump.

[malvolio]

I agree. You could say Starmer is destroying the UK and Trump the west. Or you could realize that these are just the people who got into power after the damage was already done. Doesn't mean they are going to fix it though.

I think that you are missing the point. What we needed to happen for the modestly growing economy left by the Tories to be properly supported until we had a genuinely stable economy (i.e. not the one Reeves keeps on bragging about). What we got was more borrowing at higher rates, and a series of measures that killed enterprise, killed the job and housing markets, drove away a lot of wealth creators and failed to even think about addressing the time bomb that is our welfare state. Add in public sector pay rises so they can say they stopped the strikes (which they haven't).

You can only blame the Tories for so long. While some of the problems are years in the making (back to Brown even), nothing happening now will improve them. No government in my memory including Heath and Callaghan has been so utterly inept; I really don't want another one.

[sadkingbilly]

I think that you are missing the point. What we needed to happen for the modestly growing economy left by the Tories

[WTFH]

Some of the loons on here support Reform, i.e. they want Trump to buy the UK. I don't understand how in one breath idiots will say "there's only so long you can blame the Tories for" and then in the same breath say that it wasn't their fault, that it was what they inherited, so keep blaming.
Could be worse, I only learned earlier today that the Standard is owned by Lebedev and the Mail.

[DoctorStrangelove]

No government in my memory including Heath and Callaghan has been so utterly inept; I really don't want another one.

Frightening innit. Both sides are inept and yet we keep on hoping against decades of experience that we'll finally get an ept one.

I'm currently of the opinion that I'll be one of The Grateful Dead not having to put up with this endless tulipe any more..

Just got to clear the house of all this accumulated tulipe.

Or should I leave it for the useless twat next door?

Er, probably not: it'd end up on the "Abandoned house" thing on faceache coz it's an absolute certainty that someone who's too ******* tired to do anything to his own property certainly wouldn't stir his idle ******* sticks to clear this one.

And I wouldn't leave it to my poor sister to deal with, though she'd do a wonderful job..

Oooo, did I actually type all that? I thought it was all in my head. .

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1638435169739218

[willendure]

I think that you are missing the point...

I think you are missing the point that globalization and "The West" has been steadily undermined since the end of 90s, by financializing everything whilst the real value add has moved over to China. It probably doesn't matter who was in charge for the last 20 years, because none of them were able to follow the harder path and just steadily pissed away the value of currencies and capital of our nations.

How does the UK even earn its way in this world? It was a financial centre for Europe, but we did a brexit. Then it laundered Russian money, but Putin invaded, so we had to stop that. Probably next people get so crazy about how tulip everything is and vote in Reform and then sell the furniture (NHS) to keep the lights on.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take a tory chancellor over Reeves any day - because we certainly can't tax our way out of a broken economy. (she is awful)

I have zero financial capital in the UK, its all in overseas assets or real assets.

[ladymuck]

I don't know if it's related or not (probably is) but I do get the feeling that Europe is having an identity crisis whereas the Asian countries have a much more coherent sense of self. We might not like the regime in China but their national identity is strong and they don't bend to whatever flavour of angst is currently doing the rounds.

Instead of banging on about the good old days when Britain was a powerhouse, why not look at why we're no longer that and what can be done about it. Then put in policies and support to bring it back. It won't be the same because the world is different but we need to build a country that is largely self-reliant (support the farmers, defence, the manufacturing industries, steel foundries, etc, etc) and is a place where our home-grown talent wants to stay, not taking their education and ideas overseas where they can get the support they're looking for.

[sadkingbilly]

I don't know if it's related or not (probably is) but I do get the feeling that Europe is having an identity crisis whereas the Asian countries have a much more coherent sense of self. We might not like the regime in China but their national identity is
STRONGLY ENFORCED and they don't bend to whatever flavour of angst is currently doing the rounds.

Instead of banging on about the good old days when Britain was a powerhouse, why not look at why we're no longer that and what can be done about it. Then put in policies and support to bring it back. It won't be the same because the world is different but we need to build a country that is largely self-reliant (support the farmers, defence, the manufacturing industries, steel foundries, etc, etc) and is a place where our home-grown talent wants to stay, not taking their education and ideas overseas where they can get the support they're looking for.

ftfy

[DoctorStrangelove]

Ah the Glory Days when we could send a gunboat, sell opium to the Chinese (instead of them selling fentanyl to the dumb Septics), and burn Peking purely because we could and because they'd sunk one of our gunboats, the bastards.

Managed decline, dear boy, managed decline.

I suspect the idea of renting gravity bomb nukes off the Septics and getting the Tridents serviced has equally bitten the dust.

Here's a song celebrating the Orange Mother****er's father Fred Trump:

Of course Fred Trump was a racist grifting mother****er: he was successful at it unlike his incompetent Orange Mother****er scumbag fruit of his loins.

[willendure]

I think that you are missing the point. What we needed to happen for the modestly growing economy left by the Tories to be properly supported until we had a genuinely stable economy (i.e. not the one Reeves keeps on bragging about). What we got was more borrowing at higher rates, and a series of measures that killed enterprise, killed the job and housing markets, drove away a lot of wealth creators and failed to even think about addressing the time bomb that is our welfare state. Add in public sector pay rises so they can say they stopped the strikes (which they haven't).

You can only blame the Tories for so long. While some of the problems are years in the making (back to Brown even), nothing happening now will improve them. No government in my memory including Heath and Callaghan has been so utterly inept; I really don't want another one.

More borrowing you say?

https://ifs.org.uk/publications/cons...conomy-2010-24

But yeah, the NI increase was totally stupid.

Borrowing rates themselves are kind of beyond the control of the government though, the market decides.

Did we have wealth creators in this country to scare away? I thought they were mostly just creaming it off in £105 million sized handouts like Baroness Mone.