200000 catching up on New Lie

[malvolio]

The economy is cyclical and may improve, irrespective of anything the Government does or doesn't do. Think back to the late 90s/early 2000s (under New Labour).

That was Brown living off the good work of Lawson and Howe
getting things on a firm growth path. Compare that to what the Coalition inherited from Brown the PM.

It's an unbroken rule, one gang wreck stuff the next gang fix it again. It is not a self-maintaining process.

[woody1]

That was Brown living off the good work of Lawson and Howe
getting things on a firm growth path. Compare that to what the Coalition inherited from Brown the PM.

It's an unbroken rule, one gang wreck stuff the next gang fix it again. It is not a self-maintaining process.

So, how do you explain the recession of the late 80s/early 90s? The Tories had been in since 79. And the Tories hardly fixed the economy when they got in in 2010. Growth was anaemic throughout the Cameron/May years.

There is a correlation between GDP and changes of Government. When the economy does badly, the electorate boot the incumbents out. But don't give politicians much credit for driving growth.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...eries/ihyp/pn2

[WTFH]

Possibly. More likely he would be Chancellor.

Very funny, yes, probably the more apt title.

[malvolio]

So, how do you explain the recession of the late 80s/early 90s? The Tories had been in since 79. And the Tories hardly fixed the economy when they got in in 2010. Growth was anaemic throughout the Cameron/May years.

There is a correlation between GDP and changes of Government. When the economy does badly, the electorate boot the incumbents out. But don't give politicians much credit for driving growth.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gross...eries/ihyp/pn2

I think you need to read some history. As I recall it, that was a cock up with Major taking us into the EU Exchange rate mechanism at the wrong value. The downturn in the early 80s was a result of Thatcher having to sort out the mess she got from Callaghan and the pain to come was was predicted by her at the time. Withing a couple of years her measures had us back on a strong growth path.

And I do credit or blame governments for driving growth. Sunak left a growing economy and a fairly stable one. Reeves (can't blame Starmer, he's just a figurehead) has totally blown that inheritance. It's not the first time that has happened.

[woody1]

I think you need to read some history.

Hmm.

The early 80s and early 90s recessions weren't just in the UK. Ditto 2008. There were recessions in the 70s under both Labour and Conservative governments.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1980s_recession
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_1990s_recession

The UK economy may be crap or ok in 4 years time but it will have little to do with Labour, even though they'll claim credit for it if things are fairly rosy.

Oh and the economy was absolutely nothing to write home about when Sunak left.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-gdp-growth-uk

But I get why you see things differently.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Ah, the White Heat of the Technological Revolution.

The Barber Boom.

You've Never Had It So Good.

Managed Decline, Dear Boy, Managed Decline.

A Wind is Blowing Through Africa.

There is No Alternative.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe, attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion, C beams glittering in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate.

Oh. Sorry. That last one should have been in another thread.

Tears in rain.

[quackhandle]

Otherwise it doesn't scan.

Iambic pentameter pedant.

qh

[agentzero]

Give it a rest, people are beginning to give up on this forum and soon it will be just you. I will then ban you and it will then be just me NAT and WTFH just yelling at each other.

Try posting about something else, how about being pleasant without the snark just for a change?

Slightly more seriously, apart from the actual legal contracting & technical help, we do need less politics and more bollux of the amusing sort. Bit of porn would be nice too.[/QUOTE]

The fringe right wing posters here: Malvolio, Vetran, and the rest, spend much of the week posting GB news, Telegraph and Daily Mail articles in General. Since when is posting random articles normal on a specific forum? It isn't. They take this rubbish as fact and seem to base a lot of their anger and misinformation on these. If that's the only product General can produce, do without it. People don't talk in physical life by pasting misinformation news articles to each other.

These threads become broadcasts of echo chambers. There was a time when posting such articles by anybody would result in a temporary ban many years ago. Now it's just the regular fodder here. It's about time it stopped. It's a contracting forum. There are many other topics which are discussed and that's fine. Logging on to see this unstable misguided rhetoric feed into the Business forum and other serious areas puts people off using them. The politicisation of everything was not normal before 2012, but it has become more common to the extent it is just as normal now, especially in the General forum. If politics is all someone has in their armoury, they are a bore and can be ignored.

[malvolio]

Slightly more seriously, apart from the actual legal contracting & technical help, we do need less politics and more bollux of the amusing sort. Bit of porn would be nice too.

The fringe right wing posters here: Malvolio, Vetran, and the rest, spend much of the week posting GB news, Telegraph and Daily Mail articles in General. Since when is posting random articles normal on a specific forum? It isn't. They take this rubbish as fact and seem to base a lot of their anger and misinformation on these. If that's the only product General can produce, do without it. People don't talk in physical life by pasting misinformation news articles to each other.

These threads become broadcasts of echo chambers. There was a time when posting such articles by anybody would result in a temporary ban many years ago. Now it's just the regular fodder here. It's about time it stopped. It's a contracting forum. There are many other topics which are discussed and that's fine. Logging on to see this unstable misguided rhetoric feed into the Business forum and other serious areas puts people off using them. The politicisation of everything was not normal before 2012, but it has become more common to the extent it is just as normal now, especially in the General forum. If politics is all someone has in their armoury, they are a bore and can be ignored.

Bollocks. I have never posted an article, and most of my news comes from Reuters, Sky, BBC and the like, rather than biased newspaper coverage. I notice you didn't mention all the Guardian based rubbish that gets posted without challenge...

And I am not right wing, I am anti-incompetent government, of which we seem to have quite a lot these past few years

And if the deteriorating economy is not relevant to contractors then what is? Even if its net effect is to drive companies back to using contractors to avoid NICs and the rest of the shiny new overheads?

And if you disagree with an opinion, then post your own. Simply complaining you don't like it or don't agree with it is all a bit anal.

[sadkingbilly]

9 syllables. You fail.

Give him time to calm down.

Aye, - good luck with that