801 Migrants cross English Channel in 1 day

[malvolio]

What a load of bollocks. The legal immigrants are more likely to be stealing your job though, thought about that?

The illegal ones are more likely to be poor and not have qualifications that would enable them to displace me in the labour market. They are also frequently desperate and hard working and will take on jobs that British people consider to be beneath them.

Do you think I'm as ignorant of reality as you seem to be? I was arguing the point about unlimited skilled immigrants in 2005, along with a lot other people.

The illegals are not taking jobs. It's an over-generous and badly regulated benefits system that's keeping people out of work; why do hard and not very glamorous toil of start t the bottom of the career ladder when you can claim some evanescent mental issues and get paid to stay at home?

[NigelJK]

significant contribution

I know the lefties have the soap box here, but surely 650,000+ people coming in are going to need housing, health, dentistry, education, transport, 'entertainment' etc. I doubt, very much, in the scheme of things that 'significant' is not a word you could apply to either.

The odd thing is when it comes to repairing and building new road infrastructure we get told 'building more roads means putting more cars on the road and therefore we won't do it'. a significant portion of those coming in won't be mobile, but will want to be.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

I know the lefties have the soap box here, but surely 650,000+ people coming in are going to need housing, health, dentistry, education, transport, 'entertainment' etc. I doubt, very much, in the scheme of things that 'significant' is not a word you could apply to either.

The odd thing is when it comes to repairing and building new road infrastructure we get told 'building more roads means putting more cars on the road and therefore we won't do it'. a significant portion of those coming in won't be mobile, but will want to be.

Those are all costs not contributions. People have been commenting on governments not building services for these new clients. Overall the OBR has suggested a migrant that earns less than £38,000 is a net drain on the economy and could cost the country >£0.5M in their lifetime.

There are many valuable migrants we want (highly skilled or entrepreneurial) but people paid £80% of a minimal wage to do a job that anyone could do or could be automated is not a sensible move for the country.

[Snooky]

Overall the OBR has suggested a migrant that earns less than £38,000 is a net drain on the economy and could cost the country >£0.5M in their lifetime.

Got a link for that?

[DoctorStrangelove]

Damn. I've been a net drain on the economy for about 90% of my "career" then**. .

Might as well have been like my mate Frank who last worked when Baglan Bay foundry was a thing* & alternated between off sick & the dole for about 35 years.

*It used to be where Castle Bingo is located now, another advance for UK industrial output.

**Using the UK inflation calculator it looks as if the last 3 or so years at Siliconix came close to the equivalent of £38k, but it was contracting after 1997 that put me way above it for a while. The final years at Ye Olde & Newe Sloughe of Desponde came nowhere near it, but circumstances at home led to that. I dread to think what the final 10 years of my parents lives cost, but it was A Lot.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Got a link for that?

https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-...paid-taxpayers

[Snooky]

https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-...paid-taxpayers

Gawd - GBeebies

I really meant a link to the source, i.e. the OBR. I eventually found it.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Gawd - GBeebies

I really meant a link to the source, i.e. the OBR. I eventually found it.

And does it vary from the detail recorded in GB News?

I suspect it won't be in the Slaver or "Aunty Beeb" any time soon.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Damn. I've been a net drain on the economy for about 90% of my "career" then. .

Might as well have been like my mate Frank who last worked when Baglan Bay foundry was a thing* & alternated between off sick & the dole for about 35 years.

*It used to be where Castle Bingo is located now, another advance for UK industrial output.

I suspect though you were mainly a benefit because despite being a higher rate tax payer for decades I didn't get to >£38k until the 90s. The value has obviously changed because I could buy a premium car or house reasonably easily on my salary since the 80s.

If not you were going to be anyway. We don't need to ship people from some far flung land where FGM, 'Honour murders', Gang rapes, gang grooming or wandering around with a machete etc. are common then tell everyone it is progress.

Of course if there had been a labour shortage wages may have increased or productivity improved not offshoring and technical decline.

[DoctorStrangelove]

After all we have sufficient home grown scum wandering around with machetes not to require the importation of more, though it might be observed that some of the incomers are from places where wandering around with an AK is more the done thing..