801 Migrants cross English Channel in 1 day

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

They were opened by the Blair/Brown government. Quite a lot of people pointed out the risks inherent in such a stupid decision. They were all roundly ignored. Somehow it is now all about Yooman Rites and Racism, so you can't make any kind of a sensible argument without being shouted down by the wokerati.

The only good thing about the high legal immigrations is that it's not killing kids and women.

the stats disagree with you there

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...0-in-two-years

This article is more than 5 months old‘Honour-based’ abuse in England increases 60% in two years


Global political influence may make assault and forced marriage more frequent and severe, say experts
Haroon Siddique Legal affairs correspondentSun 7 Apr 2024 15.13 BST
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The number of “honour-based” abuse offences recorded by English police forces has increased by more than 60% in two years, figures suggest, with concerns voiced that increased polarisation is partly to blame.

Data from 26 out of 39 constabularies approached showed that there were 2,594 cases of “honour-based” abuse – which includes forced marriage, rape, death threats and assault – in 2022, compared with 1,599 in 2020.

[malvolio]

the stats disagree with you there

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...0-in-two-years

Oh, right, the Guardian is to be trusted while the Mail/Express/Telegraph/etc. aren't. OK, I must have forgotten that golden rule..

Even it that is true (it isn't, but let's pretend), Honour Debts are a cultural thing going back hundreds of years. What you alluding to is not immigration causing damage, but immigrant families (some more than three generations in the UK) clinging to their medieval beliefs and refusing to adopt the UK's more enlightened viewpoint on things.

The point I was making is that people are dying routinely because criminal gangs that neither France nor the UK seem to be able to affect in any way, continue to pile gullible fools into useless boats for a fee and not giving a toss about whether or not they live or die - or if they even reach the UK.

I don't believe you can conflate the two.

[sadkingbilly]

Yes because the Slaver is so much better!

the stats disagree with you there

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...0-in-two-years

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Oh, right, the Guardian is to be trusted while the Mail/Express/Telegraph/etc. aren't. OK, I must have forgotten that golden rule..

Even it that is true (it isn't, but let's pretend), Honour Debts are a cultural thing going back hundreds of years. What you alluding to is not immigration causing damage, but immigrant families (some more than three generations in the UK) clinging to their medieval beliefs and refusing to adopt the UK's more enlightened viewpoint on things.

The point I was making is that people are dying routinely because criminal gangs that neither France nor the UK seem to be able to affect in any way, continue to pile gullible fools into useless boats for a fee and not giving a toss about whether or not they live or die - or if they even reach the UK.

I don't believe you can conflate the two.

The point I was making is yes the boats are killing people but their medieval culture is also killing people. If the European migrants were bringing Blood Eagles or crucifixion to the UK I would be appalled by it to.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Managed and vetted - as in we know who they are. You're forgetting that part.

indeed that is rather important.

[malvolio]

Hmm. Medieval. So that includes the Vietnamese, Eritreans, Albanians...

I'm not aware that they practice the Honour regime, it's more the Eastern Med, the Middle east and the sub-continent, in the traditionally patriarchal societies. Which finds its roots in the harsh realities of tribes living in the poorer regions of those areas going back a thousand years or more. You will find a lot of it covered in Leviticus, for example.

So "medieval" is entirely appropriate.

[sadkingbilly]

You will find a lot of it covered in Leviticus, for example.

and THAT doesn't wash off easily, I bet!

[willendure]

The only good thing about the high legal immigrations is that it's not killing kids and women.

What a load of bollocks. The legal immigrants are more likely to be stealing your job though, thought about that?

The illegal ones are more likely to be poor and not have qualifications that would enable them to displace me in the labour market. They are also frequently desperate and hard working and will take on jobs that British people consider to be beneath them.

[vetran]

Opinions may differ on that interpretation. Not all generalisations are valid, only some are.

Hmm. Medieval. So that includes the Vietnamese, Eritreans, Albanians...

of course it does. Despite a number of fiction stories time affects everyone.

[vetran]

What a load of bollocks. The legal immigrants are more likely to be stealing your job though, thought about that?

The legal ones will be undercutting locals being paid 80% of the going rate for jobs as per visa conditions so that those poor tax avoiding multinationals can get cheap and biddable labour that they can abuse by holding their visas hostage.

Or they are the politicians and scum bags whose countries only want home to face a firing squad.

The illegal ones are more likely to be poor and not have qualifications that would enable them to displace me in the labour market. They are also frequently desperate and hard working and will take on jobs that British people consider to be beneath them.

No the illegal ones will be involved in crime like those nice Albanians. The Terrorist supporters can be in either camp but there are plenty of them. If they are illegal they probably won't be getting minimum wage or paying tax.

Do please tell us whether each type make a significant contribution to UK PLC?

People have been telling you this with facts and figures for decades.