Gaza blockaded

[JustKeepSwimming]

Unconditional surrender of Nazi germany and occupation for 40 years.

West Germany was occupied for 10 years. So a 8 year old's parents are killed by the Allies, they then have 10 years of occupation by those Allies, yet come 18 hes not demanding revenge?

[BlueSharp]

West Germany was occupied for 10 years. So a 8 year old's parents are killed by the Allies, they then have 10 years of occupation by those Allies, yet come 18 hes not demanding revenge?

It's a good question, post 1950 Germany was the economic miracle and the Marshall Plan. How much of that prosperity and hope helped ease the pain for them?

The US tried a similar rebuilding plan in Afganistan from what i remember but after 20 years reverted to Islamic extremisim.

[Fraidycat]

not demanding revenge?

The Jews and Muslims have been revenge killing each other for 1500 years . The cycle of revenge is never ending.

Following from wikipedia:

In April 624, after the Battle of Badr, the Banu Qaynuqa (Jews) violated the Constitution of Medina by shaming a Muslim woman by pinning and tearing her clothes. A Muslim man who witnessed this, killed the Jewish man responsible for it in retaliation. The Jews came in group against the Muslim and killed him. After a successive chain of similar revenge killings, enmity grew between Muslims and the Banu Qaynuqa', which led Muhammad to lay siege to their fortress.

[northernladuk]

The Jews and Muslims have been revenge killing each other for 1500 years . The cycle of revenge is never ending.

Following from wikipedia:

In April 624, after the Battle of Badr, the Banu Qaynuqa (Jews) violated the Constitution of Medina by shaming a Muslim woman by pinning and tearing her clothes. A Muslim man who witnessed this, killed the Jewish man responsible for it in retaliation. The Jews came in group against the Muslim and killed him. After a successive chain of similar revenge killings, enmity grew between Muslims and the Banu Qaynuqa', which led Muhammad to lay siege to their fortress.

Lets just hope there isn't another entry to be added that starts in Oct 2024.

[vetran]

So why did Germans who lost their parents during WW2 not grow up to hate the Allies?

You're robbing Palestinians of their agency. You're saying once they are adults they won't be able to critically assess how and why their parents died.

Actually the Germans who lost their parents in WWI and served were quite enthusiastic about the next war.

https://warontherocks.com/2018/11/a-...-world-war-ii/

Historians and political scientists have often noted this shift toward war aversion in Europe. Arnold Toynbee points out that World War I marked the end of a “span of five thousand years during which war had been one of mankind’s master institutions.” And Evan Luard observes that “the First World War transformed traditional attitudes toward war. For the first time there was an almost universal sense that the deliberate launching of a war could now no longer be justified.”

It appears that only one man really disagreed with this development, but he proved to be crucial. As military historian John Keegan puts it, “only one European really wanted war: Adolf Hitler.” Another historian concludes: “Hitler willed, desired, lusted after war…In every country the military advisers anticipated defeat, and the economic advisers expected ruin and bankruptcy.” As political scientist Robert Jervis summarizes, few scholars believe that World War II would have occurred in Europe “had Adolf Hitler not been bent on

I suspect the Germans after WWII realised that the final solution etc was a step too far and embraced pacifism.

Palestinians and Arabs have been hating jews for centuries, the feeling it seems was mutual. Though Israel has been better at controlling the enmity.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Whereas the Crusaders were equal opportunity killers & generally killed everyone.

Including other Christians.

It's fecking endless.

[vetran]

Whereas the Crusaders were equal opportunity killers & generally killed everyone.

Including other Christians.

It's fecking endless.

sadly so

[vetran]

Thinking about this, Israel missed a trick in my opinion.

If when they blockaded they had made very clear that Hamas were the elected representatives of Palestine despite the world recognising them as terrorists. Therefore Israel is at war with Palestine. If Hamas want to surrender under the white flag they would be treated as POWs (this does not exclude War crime trials which of course the Israelis would demand for anyone that were involved in terrorist attacks). Civilians would be treated as non combatants and moved out of the area to refugee camps provided by the UN or friendly (to the refugees) countries, Israel being unable to as they are on a war footing.

A reasonable stipulation for the return to Gaza is to not elect Hamas.

That means all the tulip they don't want to be responsible for is the UN or neighboring countries' problems.

[Zigenare]

Thinking about this, Israel missed a trick in my opinion.

If when they blockaded they had made very clear that Hamas were the elected representatives of Palestine despite the world recognising them as terrorists. Therefore Israel is at war with Palestine. If Hamas want to surrender under the white flag they would be treated as POWs (this does not exclude War crime trials which of course the Israelis would demand for anyone that were involved in terrorist attacks). Civilians would be treated as non combatants and moved out of the area to refugee camps provided by the UN or friendly (to the refugees) countries, Israel being unable to as they are on a war footing.

A reasonable stipulation for the return to Gaza is to not elect Hamas.

That means all the tulip they don't want to be responsible for is the UN or neighboring countries' problems.

There is your problem, right there!
For Hamas was elected, by the people of Gaza, to represent the people.

So your line would be "You can elect whoever you want just so long as Israel approves the candidates"?

[Paddy]

It's a good question, post 1950 Germany was the economic miracle and the Marshall Plan. How much of that prosperity and hope helped ease the pain for them?

The US tried a similar rebuilding plan in Afganistan from what i remember but after 20 years reverted to Islamic extremisim.

It is one thing that stands out like a sore thumb. After WW2, the Germans, including the women, manually cleared the bomb sites and streets and rebuild their country. In Arab countries, after conflict, they make there way to Europe and leave their country in ruins. The Arab men are the first to run away.