No Flights to Rwanda

[SueEllen]

Is this the real reason why Suella Braverman resigned?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...rivilege-style

A charter airline hired to remove people seeking refuge in the UK to Rwanda has pulled out of the scheme after pressure from campaigners.

A plane operated by Privilege Style first attempted to fly asylum seekers to the east African country in June but was grounded by an 11th hour ruling by the European court of human rights.


The Mallorca-based carrier had become known as the UK government’s “airline of last resort” for its willingness to conduct deportation flights that other airlines refused.

But after an email campaign by torture survivors and refugee organisations, Privilege Style has said it will no longer operate flights to Rwanda.


The development will leave the UK government in a fix. Two other charter airlines that previously conducted deportation flights, Titan Airways and AirTanker, have already ruled themselves out of the scheme.

[vetran]

No soon we will put them on the new ship "The pride of Albania". Worst case scenario they can go out on military transports.

Deportations need to happen, its clear that many of the arrivals are bogus. I suggest we find out who complained and build a secure unit for bogus asylum seekers at the bottom of their garden. I remember when the council wanted to build a Bail hostel in sunny Surrey you would have thought that they had suggested deflowering all 15 year olds on the village green.

[northernladuk]

No soon we will put them on the new ship "The pride of Albania". Worst case scenario they can go out on military transports.

Deportations need to happen, its clear that many of the arrivals are bogus. I suggest we find out who complained and build a secure unit for bogus asylum seekers at the bottom of their garden. I remember when the council wanted to build a Bail hostel in sunny Surrey you would have thought that they had suggested deflowering all 15 year olds on the village green.

Absolutely. It's just unsustainable.

I was pretty shocked to find the Gov website tracking this activity
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ts-weekly-data
Middle column is number of migrants, last column is boats. 19 boats and 856 people in one day!! The cost operation to intercept, bring them in and then temporarily house them must be eye watering let alone the long term impact. Deterent is the only way.

10 October 2022	536	13
11 October 2022	374	7
12 October 2022	856	19
13 October 2022	0	0
14 October 2022	494	11
15 October 2022	114	3
16 October 2022	0	0

[BlasterBates]

Absolutely. It's just unsustainable.

I was pretty shocked to find the Gov website tracking this activity
https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...ts-weekly-data
Middle column is number of migrants, last column is boats. 19 boats and 856 people in one day!! The cost operation to intercept, bring them in and then temporarily house them must be eye watering let alone the long term impact. Deterent is the only way.

10 October 2022	536	13
11 October 2022	374	7
12 October 2022	856	19
13 October 2022	0	0
14 October 2022	494	11
15 October 2022	114	3
16 October 2022	0	0

Over the last 25-30 years Germany has been accepting between 0.5 million and 1 million refugees every year. It's still a lot wealthier than the UK, and the public services are in far better shape.

I find it amusing that people in the UK get hung up about a few hundred migrants. I blame the Daily Mail

[WTFH]

Deterent is the only way.

Totally.
Tell them that when they get here they are going to have to work, not like the current policy of putting them up in hotels and other privately run establishments.
If people say they are coming to work, then let them work. Let them earn money, let them pay taxes, let them contribute to the economy.
The government policy is to prevent them from working and then the rest of us pay.
Those with qualifications & skills should be employed using those skills.
Those with none should be helping the farmers pick food, etc.

We're told there's a labour shortage in the country, and then we have all these young, healthy men coming here, being told that they won't have to do anything.
If the government were actually interested in joined up thinking, they could solve two "problems" at once.
The third part of the issue would be solved if the government was prepared to work with neighbouring countries, but that won't happen as the current teaching is that the neighbouring countries are entirely to blame.

[malvolio]

Over the last 25-30 years Germany has been accepting between 0.5 million and 1 million refugees every year. It's still a lot wealthier than the UK, and the public services are in far better shape.

I find it amusing that people in the UK get hung up about a few hundred migrants. I blame the Daily Mail

I find it amusing that you have no idea. To date we have rescued and allowed in the equivalent of the population of a medium sized city, not counting all the legal and genuine incomers (and yes, there are quite a lot of them as well). Why should you and me pay for them when they have no right or reason to be here in the first place?

[northernladuk]

Over the last 25-30 years Germany has been accepting between 0.5 million and 1 million refugees every year. It's still a lot wealthier than the UK, and the public services are in far better shape.

You sure of that? Ours look pretty good from the outside as a casual glance. A recent poll showed 1 in 2 people in Germany are against current immigration levels and that's going to get worse. Germany is 1.5 times the size of the UK and the habital area is a much higher percentage. The rise of the far right groups across Europe also shows a growning trend of unhappiness. I'm sure they may appear to be the most welcoming country at the moment and their infrastructure can handle it all that is for now. It can only get worse as time go on and more come, which they will if we keep on with the open arms liberal rhetoric.

I find it amusing that people in the UK get hung up about a few hundred migrants. I blame the Daily Mail

And how is that supposed to be a measure argument that can be taken seriously? You quote a year on year figure on one hand and then a flippent meaningless number of the hunder. That's a few hundred... per day... just crossing the channel. No other entry methods considered and that number has tripled in 4 years.

To think we don't have a huge problem, even if it isn't right now, is just utter madness.

[BlasterBates]

You sure of that? Ours look pretty good from the outside as a casual glance.

I would suggest you read the international press

[vetran]

200,000 a year net since 2011

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...d-from-the-uk/

House building is about 40,000 a year so its 5 per property with a normal occupation of 2.2. so we have half the number of properties we need, look at mout councils and they are short of school places.

Sadly immigrants seem to be over represented in crime statisitics both causing and suffering.

Yeah its going great.

[Whorty]

200,000 a year net since 2011

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...d-from-the-uk/

House building is about 40,000 a year so its 5 per property with a normal occupation of 2.2. so we have half the number of properties we need, look at mout councils and they are short of school places.

Sadly immigrants seem to be over represented in crime statisitics both causing and suffering.

Yeah its going great.

So what are you and your glorious party doing about it, apart from high profile totally ineffectual PR stunts like the flights to Rwanda that doesn't solve a problem but looks good to the Wail readers and the Tories can claim they are trying something even if they know it's like p-ing in the wind.

There is plenty of lower level work in the UK, but very few people willing to do it. Most of the immigrants yes are probably economic ... seems a pretty simple solution there .. let them work and add to the economy. But then we had that with the Eastern Europeans who came here and the Wail readers were up in arms that they were taking jobs that UK born people wouldn't do anyway.

We have a chance here to help the UK economy and make the world a slightly better place for a number of people, and yet we choose not to. Very sad.