Nobody told him it was his birthday.

[malvolio]

Two years ago, but he lied about them last month and last week, not 2 years ago. He was lying about how was paying for his wall paper 2 years ago. Let's stick with his current lies.




OK, let's look at what he's got right. Please tell us.

OK, if we believe the mainstream press (not the BBC or the Grauniad):

Brexit done and dusted; most current problems are down to the EU, not the UK and none are life-threatening
Assorted international trade deals, with many more to come.
80 seat majority at the last election, probably not to be repeated but still. You will notice a lot of the complaints are from people who only came into Parliament on the back of that victory.
Fastest recovering economy in the world right now, exceeding where we were predicted to be now before the pandemic
Oh, the pandemic. Securing vaccines ahead of anyone else, delivering a near 95% complete vaccination programme, getting us out of unnecessary lockdowns and as of now back in the normal world again.

On the down side, there's the stupid NIC increase (watch that get canned in the very near future), a failure to deal properly with Russia, the threat to fuel prices (not all under the UK's control of course) and not taking VAT off the bills, gun and knife crime getting out of hand, the police stopping worrying about crimes and concentrating on supporting the perpetrators ahead of the victims, and a list of other less critical annoyances.

Personally I don't give a stuff if he tells lies to his chums in Parliament about totally trivial issues, he's not the first by a very long chalk. I prefer we go by results, not how we got there. And I don't recall him lying about anything substantive, only tea parties and curtains.

[vetran]

Breaking news....

The Conservative party have now changed their name to the Conservative work event.

[WTFH]

Brexit done and dusted; most current problems are down to the EU, not the UK and none are life-threatening

Brexit was 5 years ago

Assorted international trade deals, with many more to come.

Yes, we need trade deals for cheap meat from Australia to screw British farmers, we need immigration deals to bring labour from India in exchange for something or other, and none of these deals were necessary before 5 years ago.

80 seat majority at the last election, probably not to be repeated but still. You will notice a lot of the complaints are from people who only came into Parliament on the back of that victory.

2 years ago. Remember you told us we were to ignore anything that happened in the past!

Fastest recovering economy in the world right now, exceeding where we were predicted to be now before the pandemic

Fastest recovering, if you ignore the size of the fall, and limit the results https://fullfact.org/economy/january...gdp-growth-g7/

Oh, the pandemic. Securing vaccines ahead of anyone else, delivering a near 95% complete vaccination programme, getting us out of unnecessary lockdowns and as of now back in the normal world again.

Boris didn't deliver the vaccine program, that was done by the NHS and volunteers. And when Boris & co talk about the extra funding they give to healthcare, a lot of it went to their friends who set up PPE businesses or on Dido's Test & Trace fiasco.

Personally I don't give a stuff if he tells lies to his chums in Parliament about totally trivial issues, he's not the first by a very long chalk. I prefer we go by results, not how we got there. And I don't recall him lying about anything substantive, only tea parties and curtains.

Misleading the Queen - is that substantive?
Lying about his various affairs?
Lying about 40 hospitals (turns out redecorating a ward = a new hospital)
Lying about housebuilding
Maybe this: https://assets-global.website-files....0Manifesto.pdf

[malvolio]

Brexit was 5 years ago



Yes, we need trade deals for cheap meat from Australia to screw British farmers, we need immigration deals to bring labour from India in exchange for something or other, and none of these deals were necessary before 5 years ago.



2 years ago. Remember you told us we were to ignore anything that happened in the past!



Fastest recovering, if you ignore the size of the fall, and limit the results https://fullfact.org/economy/january...gdp-growth-g7/



Boris didn't deliver the vaccine program, that was done by the NHS and volunteers. And when Boris & co talk about the extra funding they give to healthcare, a lot of it went to their friends who set up PPE businesses or on Dido's Test & Trace fiasco.



Misleading the Queen - is that substantive?
Lying about his various affairs?
Lying about 40 hospitals (turns out redecorating a ward = a new hospital)
Lying about housebuilding
Maybe this: https://assets-global.website-files....0Manifesto.pdf

Yawn...

[d000hg]

Yawn...

We ahve to remember that when something bad happened, it was Boris' personal fault, or at the very least he was responsible as PM for everything that happens. When something good happened, it is nothing to do with him - the government has no control over the NHS whatsoever for instance.

[WTFH]

Yawn...

Misleading the Queen gets a yawn?

What level of corruption would make you consider differently?
Does a peerage really go for £3million?

[WTFH]

We ahve to remember that when something bad happened, it was Boris' personal fault, or at the very least he was responsible as PM for everything that happens. When something good happened, it is nothing to do with him - the government has no control over the NHS whatsoever for instance.

I'm not saying it's all Boris' personal fault. Malvolio wants to ignore every lie.
I'm suggesting we have a corrupt government that has a majority and the support of the main media outlets.
They even manage to convince the masses that a Tory head of the BBC means that the BBC is communist.

[DaveB]

The problem isn't the parties per se. It's the prevaricating and the lack of leadership. If this had happened when Maggie was PM, or even John Major, they would have fired the lot of them on the first offence because government has to lead by example if they want the governed to take them seriously.

Slightly out context but Maggie summed it up in her speech to the Party Conferance in 1975:

The first duty of Government is to uphold the law. If it tries to bob and weave and duck around that duty when its inconvenient, if government does that, then so will the governed, and then nothing is safe—not home, not liberty, not life itself.

[malvolio]

I'm not saying it's all Boris' personal fault. Malvolio wants to ignore every lie.
I'm suggesting we have a corrupt government that has a majority and the support of the main media outlets.
They even manage to convince the masses that a Tory head of the BBC means that the BBC is communist.

I'm actually just trying to make people think, rather than simply parroting the left wing press, and taking the opposite view is the way to do it. Which is what the other ide of the argument are also doing. It's getting boring now, and clearly reasoned discourse is not an option, the climenoles are running the show i this and similar threads.

FWIW I don't like Bojo as PM, but I don't believe the government is corrupt or particularly venal, just disorganised and too interested in self-promotion while ignoring the real problems we are all facing. A lot of that lack of focus starts at No 10, but that is incompetence, not illegality. Until someone clears out the yes men at the centre of the administration and shakes idiots like the latest "high ranking Tory" idiot by the throat (while obviously not being rude to the poor souls in case they go crying to mummy), it's not going to improve.

And I'm not ignoring anything. But there is a whole load of bulltulip going on, and it's driven by a much deeper agenda.

[WTFH]

I'm actually just trying to make people think, rather than simply parroting the left wing press, and taking the opposite view is the way to do it.

This "left wing press" you refer to, does that include the Daily Mail and the Telegraph?

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...uks-newspapers



Or from https://www.fightingfake.org.uk/media-bias