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[mattster]

They would only need to go up if the person wasn't doing enough jobs to earn NMW over their shift though... any idea how common that is?

One upside to the current system is workers are motivated to deliver (pun intended). NMW means if they dawdle about they still get paid.
That doesn't mean I'm saying they shouldn't get it, but it will be interesting how it pans out.

How is that different to any other job? If you don't perform, you get the sack. My postman seems to do a good job and I doubt he's paid by the letter.

[d000hg]

How is that different to any other job? If you don't perform, you get the sack. My postman seems to do a good job and I doubt he's paid by the letter.

Ah yes the Royal Mail is a watchword for efficiency. Perhaps you could find a better example than a company who is floundering on the brink of collapse.
My postman didn't even attempt to deliver post for a week when it snowed. If he'd been penalised for not delivering, maybe he would. The Amazon deliveries all made it...

I like system that reward people who work harder. But I also like a safety net to prevent abuse.

[BrilloPad]

How is that different to any other job? If you don't perform, you get the sack. My postman seems to do a good job and I doubt he's paid by the letter.

NLyUK is paid by the letter...

[Paralytic]

NLyUK is paid by the letter...

The D?

[BrilloPad]

D?

French letter...

[mattster]

Ah yes the Royal Mail is a watchword for efficiency. Perhaps you could find a better example than a company who is floundering on the brink of collapse.

Well take your pick - the vast majority of jobs don't pay you buy the amount of work you do, but most of them have systems in place to make sure you are doing the job properly, and perhaps even a little incentive to go above and beyond. I'm sure Amazon could work something out.

[BrilloPad]

Well take your pick - the vast majority of jobs don't pay you buy the amount of work you do, but most of them have systems in place to make sure you are doing the job properly, and perhaps even a little incentive to go above and beyond. I'm sure Amazon could work something out.

Perhaps coders could be paid by the line of code?

[Whorty]

Good.

The gig economy has been allowed to erode worker's rights, forcing people to use Ltds who shouldn't be working that way and encouraging agencies to exploit the most vulnerable.

(We are big and ugly enough to look after ourselves).

Speak for yourself

I'm not big

[vetran]

Good news! Zero hours contracts and the gig economy have managed to roll back about 50 years of advances in employment rights in the space of a few years. If this doesn't get knocked on the head now, it will only get worse.

On another note, any sort of pay that leaves you still requiring and eligible for benefits is too low. The minimum wage should be high enough to live on, as a bare minimum. It isn't, and the taxpayer ends up making up the difference through benefits, which to me is nothing short of corporate welfare. So what if it means we pay a little more in the supermarket, or for our deliveries? Nobody in their right mind can object to somebody that is providing us with a service being paid a fair wage for their efforts.

We wouldn't pay significantly more the competition would take care of that, when a supermarket charges the same as an owner operated corner shop supermarkets would drop prices or small business would expand.


ALDi & Lidl pay their staff more than any other supermarket but one of their main selling points is cost.

Aldi to become UK's 'best-paying supermarket' with wage rise | Aldi | The Guardian

The great thing about paying staff more is that they will actually pay tax in the UK. If you give multinationals more they will pay tax where they can avoid paying any.

You can live well on less than £12k if you take the big housing costs away. Build more homes (we need millions) and housing costs will fall. My daughter pays less than £100 rent including bills in a University town up north because there is plenty of property up there. In London a similar rent would be £800 plus bills. You can buy a reasonable 2 bed property up there for £50-80,000, London its at least ten times that.


Don't up welfare, up housing stock.

[d000hg]

Well take your pick - the vast majority of jobs don't pay you buy the amount of work you do, but most of them have systems in place to make sure you are doing the job properly, and perhaps even a little incentive to go above and beyond. I'm sure Amazon could work something out.

Amazon probably can. For your local Chinese takeaway, it's far more onerous.

The vast majority of people do a pretty crap job. Especially when there is no reward for doing a better job. There's not much of a career path as a delivery driver. When everyone is simply paid NMW why bother doing more than you need?