[Merged]Brexit stuff

[jamesbrown]

We need a "frothing at the mouth" emoticon for these kind of rants.

We've got you covered

[jamesbrown]

But the vote was advisory wasn't it? There is no legal requirement to carry out the deed.

Sure, but that's a completely separate point.

[BlasterBates]

We've got you covered

Yup that's more like it.

[SueEllen]

You know of course CEOs (traffic wardens) are on bonuses and graded on issued tickets I suspect job centre staff are similarly marked.

See my post above.

The reports are in the print media as it's difficult for the TV undercover journalists to get people in unlike with the benefit call centres and passport office.

[SueEllen]

But the vote was advisory wasn't it? There is no legal requirement to carry out the deed.

Parliament would need to vote.

It would have to be a free vote and lots of MPs regardless of party for the good of their own political career would have to abstain if it was simply on the referendum. This would leave only those who would vote the way the majority of their constituents voted who could vote, so such a vote would be a waste of parliament's time.

Instead parliament needs to vote on the deal that's agreed for us to come out. Again this will cause problems.

[jamesbrown]

Instead parliament needs to vote on the deal that's agreed for us to come out. Again this will cause problems.

Fundamentally, the process is problematic. It wasn't envisaged as an exercise in democracy; it was envisaged as something that was unlikely to be required. You can't have a substantive vote on the terms of negotiation prior to A50, as it's not with the remit of our gov't to make any promises about the outcome of a negotiating process or curtail options for such a complex, multidimensional, process. You can't have a substantive vote on the triggering of A50, as a failure to carry that vote would result in a constitutional crisis (i.e. it would carry). You can't have a substantive vote on the result of the negotiation, because there's no opportunity to return for an alternative deal. Like most EU procedure, it isn't a process that lends itself to democracy. In the absence of a substantive vote, all you're left with is a superficial one. The hope among continuity remain is that the latter can be used to frustrate the process and that, during the delay, everything will become OBE. That's why they prefer to have an early vote (on the terms of negotiation). They're already getting a vote on the Great Repeal Bill, but that's too late to do any real damage (recalling that A50 is a two-year process, and an extension requires unanimity).

[NotAllThere]

...Boris that told everyone he was writing two articles to see the competing arguments on paper...

Did it occur to you that he might be prevaricating?

We need a "frothing at the mouth" emoticon for these kind of rants.

This one is sufficient, I think.

[jamesbrown]

Not all there. Indeed.

[original PM]

A recent poll showed that the vast majority favour the single market over immigration controls.

May Urged to Reveal Brexit Strategy as Lawmakers Push for Vote - Bloomberg

It looks like there are a lot headwinds against Theresa May's Hard Brexit approach.

Is this another survey of a group of people who feel they will be better of financial if we stay in the EU saying we need another vote to stop us from leaving the EU?

What part of NO are you pointless pampered privileged bigots struggling with?

[BlasterBates]

Is this another survey of a group of people who feel they will be better of financial if we stay in the EU saying we need another vote to stop us from leaving the EU?

What part of NO are you pointless pampered privileged bigots struggling with?

errr no

It's saying that a significant majority want to stay in the single market.

Brexit Bulletin: Does Theresa May Have a Secret Plan? - Bloomberg

A ComRes poll said 49 percent of Britons think the government should prioritize sealing a trade deal, while 39 percent put immigration first. A smaller survey for Open Britain found 59 percent want to stay in the single market.

Staying in the single market isn't the same as staying in the EU. The big difference being that the UK won't have a say, they'll just have to abide by the rules.