[Merged]Brexit stuff

[jamesbrown]

...and three months after the vote

Reality begins to sink in

Not for you, it seems

Meanwhile, many on the moderate left are starting to accept (as in, several stages beyond denial) that an end to free movement comes first:

Rachel Reeves MP: Ending free movement should be a red line for Labour post-Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...n-work-permits

Emma Reynolds: Brexit vote is a bitter pill but MPs must not try to overturn the result | LabourList

[GB9]

What a load of tosh. The UK isn't coming from a "rational position of wanting to trade", it's coming from a "have my cake and eat it" position of wanting full trade without freedom of movement.

You're like the trophy wife that's never worked, has whinged all the way through the marriage, wants a divorce but still wants to keep the house and car.

So I'm coming from the same perspective as most of the rest of the world. You confirm my point about never having been in though. In that case we would be looking at trade, nit freedom of movement. We are only discussing that because that's what we are leaving.

[vetran]

What a load of tosh. The UK isn't coming from a "rational position of wanting to trade", it's coming from a "have my cake and eat it" position of wanting full trade without freedom of movement.

You're like the trophy wife that's never worked, has whinged all the way through the marriage, wants a divorce but still wants to keep the house and car.

and it works, by the time we have finished Merkel & Juncker will be sleeping under a bridge!

You of course come over as the controlling ex who only wants a relationship with us on your terms.

[scooterscot]

It would not surprise me if the majority who considered immigration when voting were thinking of those from a different 'ethic' background. Not European. I.e. those inviting extended family from the middle or far east.

Interestingly the majority of migrants coming to the UK come from outside the EU. And doubly more interesting is that the majority of EU migrants coming to the UK add to the economy rather than take from it.

Were the UK to enact a policy that weakens the economy by restricting EU migrants whilst doing nothing about migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU would almost set the country on a downward course.

[BlasterBates]

Not for you, it seems

Meanwhile, many on the moderate left are starting to accept (as in, several stages beyond denial) that an end to free movement comes first:

Rachel Reeves MP: Ending free movement should be a red line for Labour post-Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...n-work-permits

Emma Reynolds: Brexit vote is a bitter pill but MPs must not try to overturn the result | LabourList

Oh dear, have they agreed that with Corbyn ?

Corbyn favours 'Norway model' post Brexit | The Independent

[scooterscot]

Brexit: London risks losing status as global financial hub if the UK leaves single market, Bundesbank chief warns



Oh dear -

[vetran]

It would not surprise me if the majority who considered immigration when voting were thinking of those from a different 'ethic' background. Not European. I.e. those inviting extended family from the middle or far east.

Interestingly the majority of migrants coming to the UK come from outside the EU. And doubly more interesting is that the majority of EU migrants coming to the UK add to the economy rather than take from it.

Were the UK to enact a policy that weakens the economy by restricting EU migrants whilst doing nothing about migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU would almost set the country on a downward course.

working for minimum wage does not add to the economy. Sorry you don't break even until you get to £30K. Cheap workers are a false economy.

Are you a contributor to, or a burden on, the nation's finances? - 'Squeezed middle' increasingly dependent on the state | This is Money

[jamesbrown]

Interestingly the majority of migrants coming to the UK come from outside the EU. And doubly more interesting is that the majority of EU migrants coming to the UK add to the economy rather than take from it.

Interesting in what sense? The EU accounts for less than 7% of the global population. Were our immigration policy to treat all immigrants equally (on the basis of need), this would imply a substantial reduction in immigration from elsewhere in the EU. Immigration from outside the EU is only comparable in the most ignorant, unweighted, sense. Obviously, there is a geographic dimension too, but any sensible discussion starts with an analysis.

Were the UK to enact a policy that weakens the economy by restricting EU migrants whilst doing nothing about migrants coming to the UK from outside the EU would almost set the country on a downward course.

Again, only with the most cursory analysis that takes, as a starting point, an even distribution of the benefits of migration, and no effort to mitigate the impacts of a reduction in migration. Steve Hilton makes a similar point in the Torygraphy today.

[sasguru]

What will eventually torpedo a successful Brexit outcome is debt, the elephant in the room.

[DaveB]

working for minimum wage does not add to the economy. Sorry you don't break even until you get to £30K. Cheap workers are a false economy.

Are you a contributor to, or a burden on, the nation's finances? - 'Squeezed middle' increasingly dependent on the state | This is Money

Just as well most of them pay more tax and take fewer benefits that equivalent Brits then.

What effect do migrants have on public services and the public finances?

Recent EU migrants have typically been relatively young and are more likely to be in work than the local population. Consequently, they place less demand on many public services, are less likely to receive benefits and pay higher levels of taxes on average than UK citizens do.

Professor Christian Dustmann of University College London has found that between 2001 and 2011, the net fiscal contribution of migrants from the ten central and eastern European countries that joined the EU in 2004 or 2007 was almost £5 billion. Over the same period, British citizens received more in public spending than they paid in tax.